wow that was fast on day one the reports started...
I tried to order one at walmart.com and could not get past "review and order" button and by time I could get it to load to submit it was sold out so I guess my bank is saved 540$ for now
Cmon gurus, benchmarks showing no difference in sata VS nvme game loading is akin to pentium VS i9 in portal 2
As soon as next gen games show up expecting nvme drives, hdd will be unplayable and sata nand will choke on low textures, it's already a thing, star citizen is unplayable on hdd
Cmon gurus, benchmarks showing no difference in sata VS nvme game loading is akin to pentium VS i9 in portal 2
As soon as next gen games show up expecting nvme drives, hdd will be unplayable and sata nand will choke on low textures, it's already a thing, star citizen is unplayable on hdd
In other words: screw benchmarks. look at my crystal ball instead
:D
no1 is talking about HDD
sooner or later people and sony will realize the speed wasnt worth the cost those drives are a Standard SSD that does 550/500 would more then enough would been huge diffrence consider to this gen they were ALL using 5400rpm hdd
sooner or later people and sony will realize the speed wasnt worth the cost those drives are a Standard SSD that does 550/500 would more then enough would been huge diffrence consider to this gen they were ALL using 5400rpm hdd
Sure keep looking at those benchmarks and youtube vids, i can shuffle files around my drives instantaneously, load games /programs in seconds not to mention have zero old-skool sata wires tangled round my mobo.
Also the fact these nvme drives are the size of a credit card is handy no?
You enjoy your hdd please but can't we enjoy our nvme drives at same time?
Sure keep looking at those benchmarks and youtube vids, i can shuffle files around my drives instantaneously, load games /programs in seconds not to mention have zero old-skool sata wires tangled round my mobo.
Also the fact these nvme drives are the size of a credit card is handy no?
You enjoy your hdd please but can't we enjoy our nvme drives at same time?
Sure keep looking at those benchmarks and youtube vids, i can shuffle files around my drives instantaneously, load games /programs in seconds not to mention have zero old-skool sata wires tangled round my mobo.
Also the fact these nvme drives are the size of a credit card is handy no?
You enjoy your hdd please but can't we enjoy our nvme drives at same time?
Never said the speed isnt good, I said the cost for speed and lack space is not worth it... I have SSD in my PC and would never go back HDD, but would also NEVER spend the 200$ a NVME is for 1 tb let alone 400$ the 2 tb are. From normal consumer point view they are not.. Lot people when tell them to get SSD for PC they say no the cost is not worth it to them. why would "I" pay 100 for 1tb SSD when I get 4TB hdd for that price?
All the isnane speed come at huge cost which it price and lack of space. now if Sony/MS gamble pays off with these drive and it force the cost of drive to drop dramatically that is different story.
NVME drive are anything but common place on PC due to cost this what everyone around here seem to want to forget let alone the fact this is enthusiast forums we are minority when come to this stuff bleed edge tech, just like everyone here thing everyone OC their systems among other things.
It's true the new drives are expensive but so is lot of hardware nowadays, like mobos for ex. though they feature so much more now.
End of the day i for one ain't buying a plastic looking white elephant to play spiderman on, i'm actually leaning towards xbox if i get a console now after seeing how ps5 looks. Even in black i dunno if it would look less plastic.
That being said it would need to be one whopper of a game for the $500 admittance fee.
Sure keep looking at those benchmarks and youtube vids, i can shuffle files around my drives instantaneously, load games /programs in seconds not to mention have zero old-skool sata wires tangled round my mobo.
Also the fact these nvme drives are the size of a credit card is handy no?
You enjoy your hdd please but can't we enjoy our nvme drives at same time?
NVMe drives don't really have a size or cable advantage over SATA drives since both come in M.2 form factor....
There is M.2 NVMe and M.2 SATA...
The benchmarks that Noisiv included, are real world. They are as accurate as you can get for performance data. There have also been "blind studies" done comparing SATA and NVMe. The results of the "blind study" were that nobody could tell the difference.
NVMe drives don't really have a size or cable advantage over SATA drives since both come in M.2 form factor....
There is M.2 NVMe and M.2 SATA...
The benchmarks that Noisiv included, are real world. They are as accurate as you can get for performance data. There have also been "blind studies" done comparing SATA and NVMe. The results of the "blind study" were that nobody could tell the difference.
When i'm moving a 10gb mkv file, or a 50gb game install, i can tell the difference.
Cmon gurus, benchmarks showing no difference in sata VS nvme game loading is akin to pentium VS i9 in portal 2
As soon as next gen games show up expecting nvme drives, hdd will be unplayable and sata nand will choke on low textures, it's already a thing, star citizen is unplayable on hdd
I like Star Citizen but... I would never ever use it as a reference or benchmark in any way. It's always been "art first, we'll figure out the technology after", probably because art is what is selling ships and whatnot. (Hello DX11 with countless drawcalls everywhere with extremely detailed ships cities and characters, 50players MMO with lifeless planets - literally no wild life or such)
When i'm moving a 10gb mkv file, or a 50gb game install, i can tell the difference.
You're also providing a "best case scenario"..... If the drive is both reading from and writing to itself, or another NVMe drive, the transaction happens at or near full speed. Most people aren't moving 10gb+ files around on a regular basis. For most users, the only time they'll notice any performance difference between M.2 SATA and NVMe, is when installing applications or games that are stored on the same drive. Application launch time only improves by a few milliseconds on NVMe vs SATA.
If you need a 1TB or smaller drive, NVMe is price competitive with SATA, so it makes sense to buy whichever is cheaper at that moment. If you need 2TB or more, SATA wins on price. The performance difference, for the average user, is negligible in daily use..... Unless your typical daily use involves moving large files around, NVMe has little real world benefit.
So? This things happen all the time. I always say, stopped raiding the stores at launch, wait a batch. Beta testing in house has nothing on real life testing.
Sadly it could be poor coding of something on Sony's part and have nothing to do with the SSDs themselves.
A company I worked at some years back, they were making use of NUCs for some of their clients and the company had been working on writing some security software to prevent unwanted access to their programs, should someone physically steal a NUC or just try to access one at the physical store location. The company wanted to make sure that their proprietary software was locked down to prevent access to it so no one could steal it because they were one of the first companies to offer this product.
I don't recall the specifics of the situation, but something they did with the creation of their security software kept reading and writing, over and over and over and over and over and over again and it was causing the SSDs to have errors after a few months of a new NUC being in operation due to massive amounts of read/writes happening.
Issues that would come up on the monitors for customers from this problem:
No storage space message in Windows
BSODs
Proprietary software crashes
Loss of network issues
Eventually a lot of the NUCs started showing messages about no boot device. It took the company a bit of digging to find out that they screwed up with the security software they wrote for their proprietary software. It took them about 6 months to re-write their security software from the ground up to fix the issue. In the mean time, myself and the other senior technicians had the job of baby sitting the few thousand NUCs out there by remoting into the computers when the proprietary software didn't call home or when customers called with issues. Eventually all NUCs had to be replaced simply because of the failing SSDs from the massive amounts of read/writes happening, it was inevitable. Once the fixed security software was working as intended myself and the other senior techs had the fun job of remoting into thousands of devices to uninstall the old security software and re-install the new security software.....and it wasn't a simple uninstall from the Control Panel, either. It actually required someone to have physical access to the NUCs because for some stupid reason the security software, once accessed killed network connectivity and someone physically had to use a mouse and keyboard to input the daily random password generated at the company's end....huge pain in the butt all around.
@rflair/noisiv
out of whats listed, its only win that im using, nothing else.
"your" real world use doesnt equal mine,
and i play enough games where the bottleneck is the person with (single) ssd.
when going from lobby-->map, delaying start of game by up to 30s, and i tested it by running my game off a sata (vs nvme), and i was holding up start for everyone.
sure, in general most wont notice the difference/can safe money using sata,
but that doesnt mean its for every game on this planet, nor is it "1s" for all of them.
"why didnt they stick with sata"
...
if this is what it costs to the average consumer, my bet is smaller 2240 nvme drives are actually cheaper than sata, they are literally less material to make and ship around
but I guess getting anything more than sata in anticipation is just crystal balling, games surely wont target whats about to become the standard storage speed for the most widely adopted products /s
"why didnt they stick with sata"
...
if this is what it costs to the average consumer, my bet is smaller 2240 nvme drives are actually cheaper than sata, they are literally less material to make and ship around
but I guess getting anything more than sata in anticipation is just crystal balling, games surely wont target whats about to become the standard storage speed for the most widely adopted products /s
"why didnt they stick with sata"
...
if this is what it costs to the average consumer, my bet is smaller 2240 nvme drives are actually cheaper than sata, they are literally less material to make and ship around
but I guess getting anything more than sata in anticipation is just crystal balling, games surely wont target whats about to become the standard storage speed for the most widely adopted products /s
You conveniently left the price fact these console use 4.0 and 1TB and 2TB are roughly $200/$400 and sata SSD 1TB and 2TB roughly $100/200$ ,3.0 NVMe are same price as SSD 4.0 IS NOT if these consoles ued 3.0 drive it would be "less" expensive and we have more storage space on them.
The drive are nice but going from 1 extreme of cheapest slowest storage solution 5400rpm 2.5 to most expensive and expensive 4.0 NVME was way over kill Sata SSD would been fine even 3.0 NVME which are roughly the same price as SSD
at this point over done with. more instrested in where this failed NVME goes and what Sony has to say
@rflair/noisiv
out of whats listed, its only win that im using, nothing else.
"your" real world use doesnt equal mine,
and i play enough games where the bottleneck is the person with (single) ssd.
when going from lobby-->map, delaying start of game by up to 30s, and i tested it by running my game off a sata (vs nvme), and i was holding up start for everyone.
sure, in general most wont notice the difference/can safe money using sata,
but that doesnt mean its for every game on this planet, nor is it "1s" for all of them.
Don't tell anyone, keep it a secret, there are videos on youtube proving you wrong.
And some showing what you say has a little merit.
if this is what it costs to the average consumer, my bet is smaller 2240 nvme drives are actually cheaper than sata, they are literally less material to make and ship around but I guess getting anything more than sata in anticipation is just crystal balling, games surely wont target whats about to become the standard storage speed for the most widely adopted products /s