CrazY_Milojko:

Wonder what kind of "magic" NVidia did this time with these 388.31 driver for Destiny 2 to reduce the performance gap between VEGA 56 vs 1070 and VEGA 64 vs 1080 in 1440p and 2160p. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/destiny_2_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,5.html

Likely the same kind AMD did in that link you've posted.

After some testing, this driver indeed fix all Stutter issues for me, everything is much smoother. Also fixed weird artifacts I had when switching from desktop to fullscreen game. Those occurred during transition process. Thank you, great stuff!

CrazY_Milojko:

Wonder what kind of "magic" NVidia did this time with these 388.31 driver for Destiny 2 to reduce the performance gap between VEGA 56 vs 1070 and VEGA 64 vs 1080 in 1440p and 2160p. http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/destiny_2_pc_graphics_performance_benchmark_review,5.html

Most likely the typical lose of performance marketing that Nvidia likes to use. "OMG...my GPU no longer competes! I need to upgrade..." Thank fully AMD has provided mid level competition or Nvidia may have continued their attack on their fan base i.e. 600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses when the next gen arrives.

slimmy427:

i.e. 600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses

Which never existed.

dr_rus:

Which never existed.

Are you suggesting it was just the natural progression of performance lose? AMD seemed to miss out on degradation over those generations...which most reviewer/benchmarkers would use as a constant as the 780ti or 970 would gradually lose performance after new generation drivers. Another Possibility would be...I fall for a good conspiracy!

slimmy427:

Are you suggesting it was just the natural progression of performance lose?

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just straight saying that "600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses" never happened. It's an Internet myth.

slimmy427:

as the 780ti or 970 would gradually lose performance after new generation drivers

Care to provide even one example of such performance loss which wasn't due to a bug which was fixed later?

dr_rus:

Likely the same kind AMD did in that link you've posted.

Except AMD cards from RX 5XX series and VEGA cards had that performance since day one Destiny 2 was launced. Considering Destiny 2 is NVidia sponsored title it's really funny that even VEGA 56 is faster than GTX 1080 in 1440p and 2160p. A bit of a fail and shame on NVidia's side if you ask me. If Destiny 2 was AMD sponsored title I would understand but this is just ridiculous from NVidia's side to allow to be a good chunk outperformed by AMD's cards from same performance segment. It took them 3 weeks to catch up with AMD cards/drivers in Destiny 2, it should be done on day one game was launched. Edit But as someone said: better late than never...

There's still some regular "ticking" on frametime graph when fps is really high but I guess that it doesn't matter at such numbers anyway: https://i.picpar.com/Lw9c.png

CrazY_Milojko:

A bit of a fail and shame on NVidia's side if you ask me.

I agree, they've definitely dropped the ball on Destiny 2 launch support as they both let AMD win in launch benchmarks despite it being TWIMTBP game and managed to provide huge performance gains later meaning that this was a s/w issue all along.

slimmy427:

Most likely the typical lose of performance marketing that Nvidia likes to use. "OMG...my GPU no longer competes! I need to upgrade..." Thank fully AMD has provided mid level competition or Nvidia may have continued their attack on their fan base i.e. 600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses when the next gen arrives.

I wish that Hilbert did Destiny 2 bechmarks with 290X 4GB cards or at least 390X 8GB, my bet is they would be on at least GTX 980 level in 1080p and good chunk faster in 1440p and 2160p compared to GTX 980. I remember the times when both GTX 780 and 290X were still freshly released cards: GTX 780 was significantly faster compared to 290X. Few years later 290/290X/390/390X are outperforming even 780Ti in 1080p, in 1440p and 2160p performance difference is just ridiculously higher on AMDs favour.

Stuttering definitely gone with this driver, previous driver stuttered quite noticeably in Dirt Rally benchmark - I do have power monitoring tools open (HWInfo & GPUz). Smooth performance in 3DMark Firestrike, and game benchmarks: Batman Arkham Knight, F1 2015, Dirt Rally.

A new driver from nVidia that doesn't stutter in PUBG 😀:D:D A new driver where you can actually turn up the settings in PUBG and it still runs smooth 😀:D:D:D https://extraimage.net/images/2017/11/15/45511dbc2df47bcede50a0a96b00a08e.jpg https://www.google.dk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjIlZfNscHXAhVjKpoKHdArAC0QjRwIBw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fexplore%2Fexcited-face-meme%2F&psig=AOvVaw3JImhm11WOGj1oPt-rhJVU&ust=1510863004181720

dr_rus:

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just straight saying that "600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses" never happened. It's an Internet myth. Care to provide even one example of such performance loss which wasn't due to a bug which was fixed later?

I can vividly remember each Mass Effect on PS3/360, for PC on the same engine, using the same assets, running worse with each sequel, yet running fine on aging console hardware. It's not a myth. It's fact. The problem is, I don't think it's a malicious as thought. It just becomes apparent that nVidia focuses it's driver support only on it's current offerings. Which creates issues for legacy hardware, not limited to, but including, unjustifiable, crappy performance due to lack of support. I understand it from a business perspective. But they should come out with a public policy on it. "We stop support after 3 years". Let it become a rule, then the rumors are put to rest, the moaning is quieted down and the internet can find something new to bitch about.

SerotoNiN:

I can vividly remember each Mass Effect on PS3/360, for PC on the same engine, using the same assets, running worse with each sequel, yet running fine on aging console hardware. It's not a myth. It's fact.

Your vivid memory is just plain wrong, ME2 and 3 ran way better than ME1, and all of them ran considerably better on PC than on PS3/360 (sub-30 fps, bleh). I'm saying this as someone who played ME on all platforms and beaten the games more than a dozen of times. So yes, that's another myth right there.

SerotoNiN:

The problem is, I don't think it's a malicious as thought. It just becomes apparent that nVidia focuses it's driver support only on it's current offerings.

There are no performance degradation of old hardware on newer drivers. This isn't true even for 600/700 series, let alone 900 one. Newer games - which is what this is actually about; games which are made now running on old hardware - can be slower on older h/w than on the current h/w for a multitude of reasons, and NV's driver support is probably somewhere at the end of that list.

SerotoNiN:

But they should come out with a public policy on it. "We stop support after 3 years".

Why would they say something like that if it's not true at all?

CrazY_Milojko:

I wish that Hilbert did Destiny 2 bechmarks with 290X 4GB cards or at least 390X 8GB, my bet is they would be on at least GTX 980 level in 1080p and good chunk faster in 1440p and 2160p compared to GTX 980. I remember the times when both GTX 780 and 290X were still freshly released cards: GTX 780 was significantly faster compared to 290X. Few years later 290/290X/390/390X are outperforming even 780Ti in 1080p, in 1440p and 2160p performance difference is just ridiculously higher on AMDs favour.

I'm glad to see someone else remembers this as well. Most only remember what relevant to their interests.

Anyone tried these with AC Origins yet?

Good drivers so far.

This driver is causing stuttering for me in wolfenstein the new colossus!

dr_rus:

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just straight saying that "600 series, 700 series, 900 series unexplained performance loses" never happened. It's an Internet myth. Care to provide even one example of such performance loss which wasn't due to a bug which was fixed later?

The issue with providing definitive proof is with the parity and consistency over years. Yes I can do a google search and provide you with benchmark listing only to be debunked with the the argument "the test was done on two different systems" Since you seem to be in the know on myth and fiction...you must have seen proof that there was no performance loss. Lets race! See who can produce true factual and unbiased results. I'll start...this was posted in sept of 2014. lets see if you can match it! http://i676.photobucket.com/albums/vv123/slimmy427/gtx980-bench-bf4-ultra.jpg

slimmy427:

I'm glad to see someone else remembers this as well. Most only remember what relevant to their interests.

I do remember and, oh boy, kinda regret for recomending MSI GTX 780 Lightning to a good friend of mine instead of MSI Radeon R9 290X Lightning few years ago. At that time he was kickin' (still is) his Core i7-2600K OC'ed to 4.6GHz with HT enabled (someone else recomended him: "...that 2600K is still 4 core CPU, ffs buy "pure 8 core" AMD FX 8350!!!..." but he decided to listen to my advice and bought 2600K, still helluva fast CPU for games and everything else @ 4.6GHz HT). Yes, 780 Lightning was almighty faster than any 290X out there, quite cooler and much more silent card, AMD had nothing against it. To be honest both of us we were laughing at issues 290/290X cards had at launch and more than few months after, issues with those well known black screens, driver issues, they were way hoter and louder cards... Some year and half later iirc AMD nailed most if not all issues with 290/290X drivers, drivers were way more matured and performance of these started to catch up with 780/780Ti cards. And look at these 290/290/390/390X cards now after few years since they were launched: still offering great performance for 1080p and 1440p gaming in latest games, for some games even in 2160p, just check few latest game reviews here on Guru3D: in 1440p and 2160p at least on pair with RX480/580 cards, sometimes even competing with Fury's and 980Ti, Jesus Christ! I don't remember ANY other graphics card so far that has matured so well and I'm into PC gaming since first 486 CPU's, first VESA Local Bus graphic cards... Well done job AMD, well done...

I am happy with this driver as well, my DX 11 games feel smoother. Good job!