D1stRU3T0R:

Why ? try to use latest Windows 10, much better in every aspect....

Some say it is far from better in every respect.

warlord:

Ugly, slow, sluggish, no support for real smooth frames and smooth video with perfect vsync. Windows seven are an office os only. They are neither gaming no mmedia capable anymore. It is like having an Xbox 360 still plugged in and playing this time and age. It ain't be so beautiful. Xbox one's ecosystem and windows 10 are the absolute best moment of Microsoft's evolution.

Just in case you aren't being sarcastic and not insanely brainwashed... You may have used it only on a very slow Core 2 Duo and 5400 HDD setup, but even my system is far superior to that. It is far from sluggish. It has different sync options - 7 isn't limited to only the standard V-sync. Yes, really. Yep, even has Enhanced Sync support. Games run great, unless held back by HARDWARE. 4K 60fps videos play smooth as silk. Isn't it absolutely insane?!?! Heh... If you got proof of Win 10 being much better with games and videos, show it? Kinda hope you were being sarcastic...

Im on Windows 7 64bit still, using freesync, running a 4k monitor, RX580 8GB using the latest 19.8.2 driver. Only downside is I can't play Forza because its DX12 oh noes.. Windows 10 needs more resources = worse performance

zeusola:

Im on Windows 7 64bit still, using freesync, running a 4k monitor, RX580 8GB using the latest 19.8.2 driver. Only downside is I can't play Forza because its DX12 oh noes.. Windows 10 needs more resources = worse performance

1. I guess Microsoft just released DX12 for Windows 7 too 2. It doesn't need more resources IF you want to, also having better performance with the same/more resources 🙂

D1stRU3T0R:

1. I guess Microsoft just released DX12 for Windows 7 too 2. It doesn't need more resources IF you want to, also having better performance with the same/more resources 🙂

1. You didn't guess. They did. Kinda. 2. Show this much better performance? I've seen plenty have issues with Win 10. Why would I risk anything when Win 7 is working fine? DX 12? Don't need that, yet...

zeusola:

Im on Windows 7 64bit still, using freesync, running a 4k monitor, RX580 8GB using the latest 19.8.2 driver. Only downside is I can't play Forza because its DX12 oh noes.. Windows 10 needs more resources = worse performance

Using the 8/29 driver?

Digilator:

Using the 8/29 driver?

Hmm no, the one I currently have installed seems to be the 26th of August, they are just releasing them one after another quick-smart.

Digilator:

1. You didn't guess. They did. Kinda. 2. Show this much better performance? I've seen plenty have issues with Win 10. Why would I risk anything when Win 7 is working fine? DX 12? Don't need that, yet...

Τhings are very simple really, Radeon team, and im sure Nvidia team are suggesting Windows 10 1903 for better perfomance/stability. Its like buy 5700 XT and using windows 7, thats just lol. If you dont like windows 10 build in apps and shit,its fine...use WPD disable everything, and unistall everything in just 1 simple click. Windows 10 is working more than fine, some people have problems? Sure, not every system is the same, neither the user behind the computer.

LocoDiceGR:

Τhings are very simple really, Radeon team, and im sure Nvidia team are suggesting Windows 10 1903 for better perfomance/stability. Its like buy 5700 XT and using windows 7, thats just lol. If you dont like windows 10 build in apps and crap,its fine...use WPD disable everything, and unistall everything in just 1 simple click. Windows 10 is working more than fine, some people have problems? Sure, not every system is the same, neither the user behind the computer.

It is as if you didn't want to understand what I said... Sure, supporting only 1 OS would make things easier for them. Thing is, 7 is still quite widely used. You may think Win 10 has no negatives, but I've read otherwise. Again - Win 7 works fine for me, among others. Try to accept that. I'm actually looking into buying a 5700, likely(reasons). You can laugh, but I can see myself enjoying it(even w/o some features).

Fox2232:

There are still ways to upgrade to 10. I know the negatives 1st hand since I was insider from beginning. And Fast ring was sometimes ridiculously good at self destruction. They pushed a lot of "features" which were later removed as they were hideous. But today as a consumer, you install win 10. Have everything related to productivity/gaming better. Then you run any of one-click-utilities which block all privacy related things if that's what bothers you. And you are done.

So, there were no patches which hurt performance of CPUs and disk speeds(hazy on this one)? Windows 10 supports older software and hardware just as well as 7? Feels like I shouldn't need to ask these questions, but since you persist...)

Fox2232:

Are you referring to intel security patches? And what older HW you talk about? (You do not even fill your profile much. But RX 480 is not old.)

Microcode, yes. Fairly sure I remember something regarding disk performance also... Would something like a i7 3930K be much faster on Win 10? Over 10% faster, correct? Since I have clearly said that Win 7 suits ME, but you are saying Win 10 would be faster, show proof? 480 is kinda "old", but no, it isn't what I meant. Since Win 10 has drivers for it, why would I? You seem to have missed older software. Let's not overlook it, ok?)

Make a new thread guys, we are going way off-topic.

Fox2232:

I think you said it all. (nothing) 1st) yes, Windows 10 will be faster even with all security patches in games. (WDDM changes) And blaming OS for HW flaws instead of CPU manufacturer. You should just take all those names of vulnerabilities and turn them into stickers. Place them on your PC case, it will be cool way to patch your PC. 2nd) You shifted software and hardware into software only without stating either of which you are concerned about. Your replies have no arguments in them. And that's why you are getting nowhere. But in most likelihood, software that runs on Win 7 will run on Win 10 too. (If it is some generic desktop software and not game requiring modern HW acceleration, just install Win 10 into virtual machine and test it.)

I don't see your proof. You can keep spewing your WDDM changes over and over, but means little here. You didn't get anywhere. I asked for proof and you failed horribly. Nothing - that applies to you.

LocoDiceGR:

Make a new thread guys, we are going way off-topic.

Hey, the guy brought up WDDM... 😎

warlord:

AMD software and drivers are designed to work best for up-to-date operating systems. Please be sure to update your operating system before installing drivers. Support for older systems, simply doesn't guarantee anything. Take it as you like. AMD and any other company, is not willing spending personnel for special drivers, for minority.

Work best with latest - doesn't mean doesn't work great on others. Also, you sure that didn't mean not up to date Win 10 versions? It could, right? Win 7 is set, while Win 10 is being updated with features. Sure, Win 10 can use more personel. You can say they aren't willing to spend personel, but you are clearly wrong - new drivers are released along with Win 10 versions. Why do this to yourself?

Fox2232:

Mate, in time you spent here with: "Work for me for free attitude." - I went to google: windows 10 creation tool - clicked 1st link - clicked button to download tool - executed and created media - it finished in background without my attendance (Total effort 60 seconds.) [SPOILER="It took longer to get scissors and nicely get flash drive from its packaging."] https://i.postimg.cc/5NVvpQyp/IMG-20190901-180808.jpg [/SPOILER] Yes, that flash drive out in open caries now W10-1903. Do thing yourself. See for yourself. You are like old man going to shop demanding to be sold brand new non-underlit one color LCD cellphone as he is used to it. And refusing to see what's around.

I said that Win 7 suits me. You accuse me of making arguments, when it is you who made it. Your WDDM and a picture don't fly too high. Useless/foolish comments don't help your case much, either. Guessing there will be no proof...

Fox2232:

You won't see me downgrading willingly to Windows 7. I have seen difference in responsiveness moment I moved from Windows 7 to 10 long time ago. And since then Windows 10 made quite some improvements on that as well. People who told you to upgrade did that from kindness of their hearths. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4073757/protect-windows-devices-from-speculative-execution-side-channel-attack Do you see those lovely CVEs? check them out, see if your OS actually got them too.

Same hardware? You sure it wasn't placebo? Don't care if something opens 1000th second quicker. Software I use is responsive - I got an SSD for that. I've watched vids on this. Didn't see much difference... Which is why I said it suits me. If I cared a lot, I could have shown someone proof in a case like this. It wouldn't be me "working for them for free" - I would be backing up my argument. Don't try to paint me as the bad guy...)

Digilator:

You didn't get anywhere. I asked for proof and you failed horribly.

Some people just love imposing their stuff, whether it's useful or pure garbage. Logics and common sense won't help you here, don't waste your time.

If we're talking about performance Windows 8 and later supports and improves on the desktop compositor / DWM and introduced features such as flip model presentation but while mandatory for D3D12 / DirectX 12 it's a optional for D3D11 and thus with Windows 7 still really popular it's rarely used unless forcibly overriden via third party software. Advantage isn't as much about performance as it is about frame time smoothness and frame latency particularly in windowed or borderless mode where the VSync model would mostly remove tearing but the penalty is one or two frames more and thus input lag or higher latency for this to complete and with borderless and full-screen windowed being more popular (Unity Engine for example though it has other drawbacks canceling this out.) this comes in effect though again with DirectX 12 not being too popular and usage in DirectX 11 being fairly limited other than perhaps a handful of titles at best the effect isn't as important. https://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/sample-application-for-direct3d-12-flip-model-swap-chains Going beyond that the kernel and scheduler should have some improvements for CPU, 19H1 or 1903 and 19H2 or 1909 for Windows 10 and all the other build numbers and names here improve support for Ryzen core CPU's from AMD and how they handle things too (Zen to Zen2) though part of it is undone by other software (Battle.net client, iCue and others.) from my understanding not following certain practices so the way the CPU is operating and updating with various timings is still a bit iffy though newer Windows builds and chipset drivers and bios updates might improve it further though in turn for Windows 10 you also have more security measurements and protection including heightened Defender presence and features of all sorts affecting both AMD and Intel and general software (Control Flow Guard seen most recently with the game Control.) and then for 19H2 Microsoft is also updating the core scheduler and way it handles priorities further by allowing it to reschedule idle cores which could be a performance improvement depending on CPU bottleneck, threading in the application or game itself and number of available cores on the CPU hardware itself. https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2019/08/08/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-18362-10012-18362-10013-19h2/

A CPU may have multiple “favored” cores (logical processors of the highest available scheduling class). To provide better performance and reliability, we have implemented a rotation policy that distributes work more fairly among these favored cores.

What else? IDE, AHCI or NVME I don't think is too big of a issue for Win7 or newer far as IO or HDD vs SSD and features work and TRIM should also be supported though Win10 kinda introduced and then made it a enterprise only feature for ReFS or the Resilient File System but it's not intended to replace the current NTFS system either and is more for storage and robustness as long as the hardware doesn't fail but it doesn't support all of what NTFS does and it doesn't work as a boot drive either. 32 or 64 bit isn't going to be a issue and number of max supported CPU cores and how these are grouped won't be a thing for most users either (64 I think per task or group with 256 total cores for the hardware I think it's at.) and then for performance a big thing is also RAM where DDR4 4200 can now show a nice gain upwards of 15 - 20% above DDR3 1600 if not more with showcases including games like Watch_Dogs 2 so 2016 - 2019 and gradually rising so that's a big bottleneck too for older systems much like my own x79 and the 3970k I use has the cores but not the overall efficiency and lacks AVX2 also not that it's a huge deal just yet for these instructions. (For now, people are still bringing up SSE 4.2 too for even older hardware.) GPU wise and for this topic it's a bit irrelevant but in general though I only have a partial overview and insight into the more technical details and upcoming features. Driver wise the flip model and all that has more about adaptive sync and features like enhanced sync and for AMD their FreeSync functionality which I guess is down also to the older non-FreeSync2 displays and hardware disparities since the criteria is less strict than what NVIDIA imposed when they started certifying for adaptive sync support and AMD has some other solution for HDMI support here until 2.1 I assume whenever they get cards out that has this and then also displays with this standard for those not using Display Port. Don't think there's too much here though for now unless enhanced sync can still cause stability issues on the 5700's when enabled and then there's the still occurring blue-screen issue from web browser (Firefox and Chrome from what I'm finding reports on.) and hardware accelerated media playback often via Youtube. EDIT: As for flip model traditional full screen exclusive already has no additional frames and for D3D11 well support is still mostly on the older copy or blit methods and not flip so it sounds nice and all but it's not very widely supported in most games so that makes it less of a concern. Don't really know enough or anything really about Windows 7 and D3D12 now being a thing so can't really say how that handles it or some other features even if D3D11.1 stops at this level and only partially at that against 11.4 on Win10 but again 11.1 was where it was mostly at until recently anyway. CPU wise and the scheduler I'm not expecting too much from though it might have some gains, more uncertain about newer Ryzen CPU models and how these operate and perform on older OS's which I still need to learn more about though it might not be much of a difference and it's mostly the newer games that start utilizing 4+ CPU cores fully too with older ones still bound a lot by single threaded performance and lots of focus on CPU0 handling stuff where AMD still needs to catch up a bit to Intel though they've closed to gap a bit further again with the latest Zen2 processors. EDIT: I guess Windows 10 also introduces HDR10 outside of going via NVAPI or other solutions trying to standardize Windows HDR support somewhat for D3D11 and D3D12 for another feature difference. (And then hardware requirements and different titles implementing and using HDR differently and it still has a ways to go and grow.) AMD also having FreeSync2 HDR here with some features though I don't know many games using it explicitly beyond Far Cry 5 and it's stand-alone expansion and maybe a few other games where AMD had a hand in helping with development. Doesn't really matter for what the OS itself supports with Windows 10 though compared to Windows 7 And this post is a bit of a mess but it's just about time for a new week and hopefully a 19.9.1 driver further fixing issues with the 5700 and maybe some of the recent regressions like Vega's voltage level getting locked to default and the other reported recurring or longer standing listed issues. 🙂 (Might be too optimistic though to expect a driver for the first week of the month but we'll see.)

It's official... Windows 7 users are worse than Mac users.