Download AMD Catalyst 13.6 BETA driver

yasamoka

2013-05-29 20:56

Reduces frame times but doesn't do any frame metering to eliminate runt frames. Try again.

Umm no. Evens out frame times for alternating frames. Exactly what frame metering achieves. Even frame times = no runt frames. Have you tried it yet and it didn't work for you? It works for everybody else.

#4607277

AbjectBlitz

2013-05-29 21:05

Uninstall from safe mode.

#4607325

-Tj-

2013-05-29 22:19

As I was mentioned in an earlier post, not only are the Visual C++ runtimes in the Catalyst installer outdated, so was the link the person posted saying that that was the latest. Here is an updated all-in-one installer for Visual C++ Runtimes. New Visual C++ 2008 runtimes were just released so had to reupload and include those: Visual C++ Redist Installer V24a- http://db.tt/GxoAyvna All other stuff - https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yvo0u5lrac3whv2/j3Uhlqc9j8 These are truly the latest redists of Visual C++ 2005/2008/2010/2012, x86/64.

Thanks! :thumbup:, i've been searching for an updated version, but I couldnt find anything.. His site went down a while ago

#4607394

yasamoka

2013-05-29 23:48

These are absolutly WONDERFUL drivers. 13.5 were completly unstable for me no matter what, 13.4 were only just barely stable if I didn't overclock the cpu. 13.6, however are smooth and fine. Very good build, stable even overclocked to 4.8! Couldn't be happier, upgrading the C++ base was huge for system stability, even gaming performance has increased for me in tombraider and metroLL. (Going from 13.4 to 13.6 that is, as 13.5 was such **** 😛uke2:) Thanks AMD/Asder.

If a CPU overclock was causing further instability in 13.4, wouldn't that mean your CPU overclock is unstable?

#4607415

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 00:15

Do these include CAP's or should we still be using 13.5 CAP1?

#4607463

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 01:27

These drivers are smooth and everything installs fine for me unlike the leaked 12.105 13.x drivers where CCC simply would not work for me. These all work fine, but I am getting extremely low GPU usage in BF3. In some areas its 40fps @ Ultra settings and 60% GPU usage. Whereas before it was 99% usage all the time and Ultra settings was around 70fps and 50fps min in extremely heavy battles. Going to install 13.5 CAP1 and see if that helps. Also will install those Visual C++ updates 🙂 Thanks for those.

#4607497

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 02:40

I think these contain some of the new code to fix frame latency issues in crossfire. As on my single 7970 I am getting MUCH lower frame rates than before but games feel smoother and less choppy than before. Using these drivers with 13.5 CAP1 and they didn't help my low GPU usage in BF3. Its sometimes hits 99% but most of the time is around 70% usage and frames go as low as 42fps whereas before I have a much higher minimum of 55fps in really heavy battles and now I am getting low's of 42fps just in large open areas with nothing going on. Strange is when there is stuff going on it stays around the 40fps mark. Even lowering the settings to medium and my GPU usage shoots down even more to 30% and the frames stay the same as well. I have check my CPU usage when playing at Ultra and its evenly spread out over all eight threads and hits maximum of 75% CPU usage. It never hits 100% so I am not bottlenecked at all. I might try and reinstall of the drivers and see if it helps at all.

#4607507

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 02:57

Is that 75% in the first CPU graph or the individual core history graph?

individual. Cores are pretty evenly spaced out at around 40-70% usage. Checked in HWMonitor and CPU temps in games never goes higher than 48C which is the maximum recorded temp after nearly an hour playing. Just ran Valley 1.0 with 0xAA, Ultra Preset @ 1080p and got 24fps minimum whereas before with another driver my min fps was 32fps. Do these include CAP or do we need the 13.5 CAP1 installed as I have installed it, just wondered if there are newer CAP's in these drivers?

#4607523

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 03:56

Cool. Caps are included with the drivers. I'm not sure which is newer but I'm guessing 13.6, it won't hurt to install one over the other anyway. I never bother with them myself.

Yea these drivers are acting strange for me with performance. Just played COD4 (yes I still play this a lot lol) I used to get between 230-250fps now its as low as 140fps!!?? Yea I know the difference is nothing but still thats a massive drop in frames. CPU usage is about 20% over two of the threads and the other threads are around 0-10%. Gonna try and clean install of these and see what happens. I did use ATIMAN uninstaller the first time round and it threw out a couple of errors and didn't get rid of 12.104 drivers properly so I think that might have something to do with it not performing as it should.

#4607530

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 04:26

are you still not installing CCC? Just curious, nothing to do with this thread....

Yea I install it but disable it after I reset my display scaling as RadeonPro does not seem to allow me to alter this. After a clean driver install my scaling options reset and I get black borders around the whole of my screen. After this I disabled CCC using msconfig so CCC.exe and MOM.exe don't load up at start up. And I also disable External Events Utility as well. Back on topic, I noticed why my performance shot down. For some unknown reason my CPU overclock thought it would reset it self and actually downclock my CPU from 4.2GHz to 2.8GHz (my stock clock is 3.2GHz lol) and it downclocked my memory from 1600MHz to 1066MHz.... I think ATIMAN uninstaller had something to do with that as it seemed to scan for some Intel stuff too but I never took any notice of it. So I have been playing my games with a 2.8GHz CPU clock and 1066MHz RAM speed. All it took was a quick open of the BIOS all my settings were still there, saved and exit and my settings are back to normal now. Performance has actually gone up now 🙂 This is me completely not noticing! LOL

#4607641

Taint3dBulge

2013-05-30 09:25

Is this a latency reducing driver like the 13.5?

#4607703

Eastcoasthandle

2013-05-30 12:11

Anyway I have an annoyance that's been bugging me for ages and I cannot figure out the answer maybe someone else can....I'm at a loss. After every driver update I get this; it's my old card, makes no difference if I install manually or extract the files and run setup it's always the same. Even if I delete every related file in registry before updating it still happens.... Fwiw the OS is on a separate drive all the write folders like app data/installed programs/program data are on different partitions. I want to know where the OS is reading the adapter info from.... Any ideas?

Suggestion: Uninstall current drivers and reboot back to desktop Open CMD with Admin rights and type: -Set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1 then -Devmgmt.msc From Device Manager go to the View menu and select 'Show Hidden Devices'. Scroll down to Graphics Adapter and remove all the older 6900 series devices. Reboot and reinstall your drivers.

#4607755

Keitosha

2013-05-30 13:28

Upon right clicking the catalyst icon on the bottom right it says there's a new option called "AMD Feature Manager", which is nice and all. When clicking that i get a Metro like app saying it does not support my device (GFX?). So, what exactly is this useless thing?

#4607774

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 14:04

Drivers don't use them, applications do. Basically an API compiled with VC+ newer than you have installed will not run properly or at all on your PC. AMD must have a revised/updated application bundled with the drivers (possibly CCC idk), and include VC to ensure compatibly with any PC that don't have this version. Similarly .NET 4.0 comes with the newer packages for systems running 3.0 or 3.5. cuz they don't want OVER 9000 users emailing them about driver packages not installing. lol That's about all I can tell you.

lol this might be why the leaked 13.x driver CCC wouldn't start. As the package did not come with VC++ 2012 and I didn't even know that a 2012 version existed at all. If a program has say VC++ 2005 in its install folder, isn't there a way to force all programs to use the very latest VCC+ runtime from Windows? Or does each VC++ version contain different files and fixes only relevant to that version? For example, I have all VC++ installed from 2005 x86/64 to 2012 x86/64 and all the SP/updates as well. Would uninstalling the rest and leaving just 2012 x86/64 force programs to use the newer version instead of 2005 or would this break the programs and cause lower performance.

#4607919

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 17:14

That won't work at all since you have to regard each VC++ runtime version as a unique collection of features, bugs and quirks. I am a C++ programmer and can tell you that using the wrong VC++ runtime is a pretty good way of crashing any medium sized/complex VC++ application 😉 More on topic: I am slightly disappointed that nobody bothered to do any performance tests with these drivers yet (not that I expect any big change but still).

Thanks for the reply. It was just a thought, me and programming seriously don't mix lol I have done some tests with these and they are a weird bunch. They perform around the same in most older games such as COD4, CSGO, Diablo 3, etc But for newer games they give me horrid fps while trying to record in Metro Last Light. I was in the catacombs mission and was greeted with 22fps in certain areas! Whereas before the fps was no lower than 35fps. I think these need a new CAP's or maybe a few tweaks as they are performing worse for me in majority of the games out now. GRID 2 performs perfectly though, maxed out all settings 8xaa and its solid 60fps all the time.

#4607952

AQUILES

2013-05-30 17:40

Or use driver fusion. http://treexy.com/products/driver-fusion (free version is fine) - run - select AMD display driver - remove any found entries - reboot - run again - select AMD display driver - remove any found remaining entries - reboot - install new version Now, to get the old F8 option back in Windows 8, even for UEFI boot, from an elevated command prompt type: bcdedit /set bootmenypolicy legacy This should be the default. I can safely say that not making this option available was a stupid move for even a dumbass to make. You need safe mode because you can't enter Windows right? It's the whole point of it, yet by default, you need to enter Windows in normal mode, and navigate your way to finding the section where you can select to start in safe mode on the next boot. Completely useless!

Many thanks for your help 😉 I had the same problem on my Asus laptop, but I could solve it with your recommendations. I owe you one!

#4608270

CPC_RedDawn

2013-05-30 23:52

Lolomg 😀 I replied to your question and went to post but my login had expired, as I was trying to log back in my password somehow got reset with a 5min lockout period. :bang: So I requested a new pass and 5mins later logged back in but the password kept getting rejected, after failing 5 times I was locked out for another 15mins.. 😀 FINALLY got back in 😀 Anyway my reply was same as SmashedBrain's -the apps need the exact runtime they were compiled with. Couldn't really tell you much else as I work in engineering not programming... Was going to suggest asking DeltaTex who I think knows C but no need as you have the answer straight from the horses mouth. :P Sorry I couldn't be more unhelpful lol Btw I notice some fps drops in Metro LL with this set too... EDIT: when you say latest runtime do you mean updates or package? I've always removed security updates etc and leave just the newest version, but the base package (VC 2005, 2008, 2010 etc) must remain. Never had an app that wouldn't run by doing this...so far. lol

HAHA Mate, thats happened to me too many times. I get to involved in writing I forget how long and how much I am typing up and then when I go to post it, the damn thing has timed out on me lol :P Yea, I do the same. I install all base packages (2005 - 2012) both x86/64 and then let windows update install the service packs. I used that link that was posted in this thread a couple pages back to a dropbox account with all the latest versions. I installed those as well just to make sure I have the very latest installed. It was just a thought I had that maybe all these "brand new" games STILL insisting on using VC2005 run times could benefit from them using newer VC. But that's just me and my mind wondering lol

#4608290

Coldblackice

2013-05-31 00:38

HAHA Mate, thats happened to me too many times. I get to involved in writing I forget how long and how much I am typing up and then when I go to post it, the damn thing has timed out on me lol :P

You haven't lived until you've installed "Lazarus" 🙂 Not only do I never have to worry about losing another post again, but it also saves form data, AND gives me access to an encrypted database of ALL textbox/form entries that I can access (or delete) on demand, whenever. Lazarus has saved my ace more times than I can count! (I currently use it with Cyberfox. Not sure if it's Chrome-able)

#4608342

Coldblackice

2013-05-31 02:38

They will benefit, it comes down to them not willing to spend the money to get a newer version (such as 2012) and the number of licenses required.

Thatguy -- you're the MAN! Thanks heaps for your help/info in this thread regarding the VC redistributables. So, how are you recommending we go about uninstalling/reinstalling? -Doing a system-wide uninstall through Revo Uninstaller? -Then uninstalling AMD drivers? -Then reinstalling your updated VC package? -Then installing the new AMD beta? -Then manually overwriting individual .dll's around the system? I'm a bit confused on the ordering, and whether some steps are needed or not (or if steps are missing). Much obliged for your help!

#4608456

Coldblackice

2013-05-31 08:13

I've never used Revo Uninstaller, so I can't comment on that. To uninstall, run the Catalyst uninstaller, remove everything, run Driver Fusion, select AMD display, and delete everything (may not delete everything, this is okay for now), restart, run Driver Fusion again, select AMD display, and remove the remaining components, and restart, you are now fine to install the new version. Run the Vcredist all-in-one installer, it will install the latest VCRedist's for 2005, 2008, 2010, and 2012, x86 and x64m and they are truly the latest, they are later than the ones available through Microsoft download etc. On 32-bit Windows, only the 32-bit Redists will be installed of course, on x64 systems, both 32-bit and x64 redists are installed since 32-bit application require the 32-bit redists. Existing old redist versions are removed. To install the new AMD Catalyst, either extract the package manually (which will require the moving of setup.exe into the $OUTDIR, or run the package so it extracts to the folder located on C Drive. At this point, exit the installer! and go to the location where the package extracted, open the 'packages' folder, then the 'apps' folder, and delete all the VcRedist folders. They are not required if you already have VCRedist's installed, and they are older versions that what the what the all-in-one VCRedist package contains. Like I said in an earlier post, to ensure the latest VCRedists are always used for applications, there is one further step you have to do, but like I also said there, there are some exceptions to that! At this point, you should be able to install the new Catalyst without fear of BSODS etc. caused by the driver mess.

Thanks for this. But question, however -- Before I got your response, I went ahead with the process on my own. I uninstalled and cleaned everything. I then ran your VC package. I then installed the new 13.6 -- allowing it to install its VC packages. Finally, I ran your VC package again, hoping that it would uninstall/install/overwrite anything the AMD installer had done, hoping that it would get the "last laugh" by being run last. Would this be sufficient? Or should I redo the entire process, this time making sure to delete the VC folders from the AMD install folder beforehand?