Pro Overclocker Der8auer Feels X299 is a Platform Disaster for Overclocking
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Ricepudding
I saw this earlier on his own YouTube channel. It feels like intel has rushed this out the gates, and leaving bread crumbs of errors and faultss along the way... the board manufacturers rushed out products and some of them just don't run well past anything other than stock, and with temps getting to 100 degrees even with water cooling and a very small over clock these products just seem out of place 😏
I still don't get why they're using paste instead of solder on these cpus, it's insane. I feel bad for anyone who isn't as informed who purchase these to find all the surprises waiting for them... amd have really stirred up the pot in a massive way, hopefully thread ripper comes up and doesn't have any of these issues
asturur
Well, i always bought intel, and i will decide what to buy as soon both the competitors are out. But to be hones, the cpu on the x299 need an better cooler to overclock right? If you want to overlock 10 cores you need cool your cpu a way more than a standard air cooler can do.
Why should be different for mosfet and voltage regulators?
If you want to tweak it you should take care of your cooling if the standard is not enough.
nevcairiel
This particular problem is motherboard manufactures screwing up the VRM cooling (presumably because they focus too much on ****ty RGB designs instead of functional cooling), not directly Intels fault (other then making a CPU that needs more power, and releasing a bit early)
der8auer himself said that the Intel SKL-X CPUs actually OC quite well (presumably on his Apex engineering sample), but in this case the currently available motherboards are seriously holding them back due to overheating VRMs.
Its not inherently a platform or CPU problem, and could possibly be solved by better motherboard designs - and hopefully the round of high-end boards that release after the first wave will have some better designs here.
This can also be resolved by using 8+4 or 8+8 instead of just a single 8.
Personally I'm going with an entry level board for now, and will see what happens with the OC boards that release later.
Dazz
A bug, a bug, watch the damn video there is serous health and safety concerns when you are hitting the maximum thermal thresholds of power cables and draw through the power connectors this means under sustained load you could have a fire, best case you can short the motherboard and CPU. Thats why he is saying avoid single 8pin motherboards altogether especially if you plan to overclock.
nevcairiel
If you run stock, all of those boards work perfectly fine, no throttling and no overheating, even on single 8-pin (der8auer said that quite clearly as well).
Its just when you OC and the power shoots up from the stock 140-150W to up to 300W on the CPU alone that stuff gets crazy. I seriously doubt Intel hands out specs for OC boards - but with a long history of various "OC" branded boards, one would have hoped the motherboard manufacturers would have the experience required to build boards that can actually OC.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Administrator
Not without bugs? Mate, it is full of bugs. It isn't a hate story, it's the current facts and what crap editor would I be if I did not report on it? If I can give you an example, on my latest (unpublished just yet) testing with an ASUS board with an all new public and updated BIOS, I actually ABORTED overclocking with water-cooling 1.30 Volts on the CPU at 4600 MHz.
Why, if you wonder? your answer can be found here.
KissSh0t
I recommend actually watching the video, it is not an "Intel Hate Story", it is just bringing to light some problems with these new motherboards having poorly designed vrm cooling and a separate problem of inadequate power delivery for some of the boards resulting in a fire hazard for anyone wanting to overclock with those particular boards.
Witcher29
Overclock is instability on the long run anyway, i dont like it, and i never wil like it, unstable mess.
Witcher29
For its durability and good looking 🙂
When i check the guru 3d nvidia drivers forums , i see a ****load of problems with people, but only the people who overclock.
Sinds the gtx 980 i never had any blue or black screen, freezings in-game,s or desktop.
There are so many problems when u oc your cpu or gpu and then complain its a drivers fault, while actually its your own OC bs that cause those freezings and system reboots.
even a slighty oc of 20 mhz on cpu or gpu can cause hard freezings.
With that said i rest my case 🙂
nevcairiel
Yes, some have 8+4 and a few even have 8+8. Although the high-end OC boards have not been released yet, they always come out a bit later.
This doesn't help you, the connector would still heat up. For OC you want two connectors and two dedicated cables from the PSU.
Silva
I'm sure that after you bought your shiny very expensive motherboard, Intel won't fix the fact you can cook on it. It's not hate, it's journalism.
:roll:
110ºC!?
Oh Intel...
In my opinion the platform isn't just a disaster for overcloking: it's a total fail.
Denial
I kind of wish there were more tests of the 8 core. With half the FPU's per core and two less cores it should use way less power and thus obviously heat on both the CPU and the VRMs. I think over 8 cores you might as well go threadripper anyway.
Still thinking I might pick up the 7820x and then switch to Zen+ next year or something.
bemaniac
110c at 4.6ghz. Gawd I thought my 7700k was hot but at least I'm gaming at higher framerates and a stable 4133 19-19-19 than anyone will be able to with X299!
holystarlight
thats insane, intel proper shooting themselves in the foot with this quick release, if its a design flaw, i wouldn't really call it a "bug", can only pray vendors fix this issue with intel before official release, I can live with a CPU with crappy tim, but a motherboard that can catch fire from stupidly high temp? well naaah thanks, I enjoy life to much for that crap lol.
There hasnt been any word on the Asus Rampage? I wonder if they are delaying it to fix such issues...
JamesSneed
You are both right. I would say very few people do the proper stress testing to make a PC that is as stable as stock especially with OC'ed CPU and GPU's. When you OC both the CPU and GPU you need to stress them both at the same time for hours on end to make sure the voltage drops when nailing both don't cause instability but very few do this in reality.
Denial
He said in the video that ASUS is redesigning the Rampage because they also found the VRMs to be an issue - but idk how much of a problem it was considering he used a prototype of it to hit 5Ghz.
I think the issue here is a combination of a rushed platform and the need for the motherboards to scale from Kabylake X all the way to 18core stuff eventually. You need to make it cheap enough that Kabylake X makes sense but you also need to have an insane power delivery system and well designed cooling. The two don't really go hand in hand.
Witcher29
U didnt dont worry i just meant this in overal for everyone.
vbetts
Moderator
How is this "Intel-hate?" This is coming from someone who has been overclocking Intel platforms for years, he's even made tools to delid Intel processors.
The big issue is with the whole x299 platform is it just eats up way too much power so produces a lot of heat man.
xrodney
The problem is here that mobos won't miraculously grow another 8pin for CPU to reduce way out of spec load on power wires and mobo VRM heatsinks as well won't improve. Only choice here is to RMA board for some properly designed.
Even Ryzen boards have mostly 8+4 or even 8+8 pins and that's mainstream platform with max 95W TDP CPUs. For HEDT platform higher wattage on CPU is more than expected.
If problem is that big just with 10c cpu, how it will be with promissed 18c ?
xrodney
you just move the problem from cable to pins on cable. its as well not designed for that power.
