Yaaahhhwwwnnnnn.... Oh, no new socket?... I'm impressed!... Price? 1.5-2K??..... no thanks... xD - sarcasm off: let's wait & see, what the 32c-TR will deliver & then lets talk again. ;-)

I hope its priced at least cheaper then before so i wont have to buy AMD 16 core money losing, B stock CPU. I rather buy 14 core Intel with PCIe Gen 3, then AMD 16 core filled with bugs, WHEA errors, file corruption, fake turbo boost clocks and zero overclocking. Just imagine this: Intel x299 Mobo with TWO, yes TWO PLX chips [and thats on top of 48? 44? CPU lanes in HEDT CPU] costs 10$-20$ cheaper then MSI x570 Creation. Its not about 10$, its about the fact that Intel which always more expensive and TWO PLX chips which costs like 30-50USD per chip and it still on par with AMD board

if those will be priced similarly as amd, for respective number of cores, every fanboy can be happy. Everyone else can have a choice.

Think i'll wait for PCI-E 5.0 and DDR5 RAM before i upgrade next. Already running a i7 9800X on X299.

New Intel Core i9 10000X HEDT, Ultra EXT-2 Alpha with DLCs

karma777police:

Good stuff, still compatible with 2066 socket. I bet you Intel will undercut Ryzen 12 and 16 Core with these. It will be priced very competitive. If you already have 2066 socket board, you don't need new one.

I would hope you don't need a new board. Cascade Lake-X is hardly any different than Skylake-X. I will bet you a brand new i9 10000 series PC, with all the bells and whistles you want, that this will not undercut even the Ryzen 16 cores (I assume you mean Zen 2). I have no idea where you're getting the impression this will be priced competitively but that's possibly the most absurd thing you've said. It might be priced competitively against the 7980XE, but not against AMD. Whether or not it will outperform a Zen2 Ryzen 12 or 16 core... maybe, but the additional cost (which again, will be higher) and power consumption isn't going to be especially appealing.

DG21:

Yaaahhhwwwnnnnn.... Oh, no new socket?... I'm impressed!... Price? 1.5-2K??..... no thanks... xD - sarcasm off: let's wait & see, what the 32c-TR will deliver & then lets talk again. ;-)

Threadripper is all about many cores, but Intel x299 is for the "full package". Many cores AND low latency. I have Threadripper for F@H, rendering and Areca raid storage, but my workstation is x299 overclocket with Optane 900p 😀 x299 is even perfect for gaming when overclocked 😛 Different use 😉 HEDT: I don't care about prize. It's all about performance. For me.

MegaFalloutFan:

I hope its priced at least cheaper then before so i wont have to buy AMD 16 core money losing, B stock CPU. I rather buy 14 core Intel with PCIe Gen 3, then AMD 16 core filled with bugs, WHEA errors, file corruption, fake turbo boost clocks and zero overclocking. Just imagine this: Intel x299 Mobo with TWO, yes TWO PLX chips [and thats on top of 48? 44? CPU lanes in HEDT CPU] costs 10$-20$ cheaper then MSI x570 Creation. Its not about 10$, its about the fact that Intel which always more expensive and TWO PLX chips which costs like 30-50USD per chip and it still on par with AMD board

U gud m8? Lately AMD doesn't have those listed bugs, and EVEN Those there were only because of faulty PCIe4 on older motherboards with old chipset. No matter (almost) how good the 10000x series will be, it will be almost impossible to win against 3950X

D1stRU3T0R:

U gud m8? Lately AMD doesn't have those listed bugs, and EVEN Those there were only because of faulty PCIe4 on older motherboards with old chipset. No matter (almost) how good the 10000x series will be, it will be almost impossible to win against 3950X

Win in what? 🙂

The quality of discussion on those news posts is going down and down. Guys you continue to attack people choices on hardware. As long as people can choice between comparable products, you should not waste time saying why your chosen product is so better than the other. Can you just stop at what you like in it? or what you are excited about it? Do you really have to say how shitty other people choices are?

asturur:

The quality of discussion on those news posts is going down and down. Guys you continue to attack people choices on hardware. As long as people can choice between comparable products, you should not waste time saying why your chosen product is so better than the other. Can you just stop at what you like in it? or what you are excited about it? Do you really have to say how shitty other people choices are?

/guru3d 2019 Miss guru3d forums before 2010... Now it's 90% toxic, flaming and blaming.

nizzen:

/guru3d 2019 Miss guru3d forums before 2010... Now it's 90% toxic, flaming and blaming.

not to mention those who get offended for people like Wagnard telling them they are wrong XD

BReal85:

Poor guy. At least you tried. How pathetic somebody can still be.... 🙂 You speak of bugs and your shitty company still has the vulnerable CPUs.

Like I said: /guru3d 2019 Miss guru3d forums before 2010... Now it's 90% toxic, flaming and blaming.

D1stRU3T0R:

U gud m8? Lately AMD doesn't have those listed bugs, and EVEN Those there were only because of faulty PCIe4 on older motherboards with old chipset. No matter (almost) how good the 10000x series will be, it will be almost impossible to win against 3950X

You are misinformed. WHEA errors and file corruption happened on x570 chipset when PCIE Gen 3devices installed and have their own non windows driver: Nvidia card, Samsung SSD etc AMD admitted to this and have a blog post about it, their "solution" is to mask WHEA errors so they wont appear, thats what it says. As far as file corruption, most people [ more like 99.9%] very rarely check their windows for system file corruption and majority never opened Event Viewer in their life. Turbo Boost is a known issue, none of AMD CPUs can hit advertised turbo on single core, and when they do, it happens for second [whats called a spike] and then drops down to low speed, such turbo has no value. Compare this vs how turbo should work, Intel CPUs, Ryzen 1000/2000 and youll understand

The "new" Intel cpu should be named "Cascade Fail-X-Times fixing old bugs", and to @MegaFalloutFan, the problem about the boostclocks on the Ryzen 3xxx(x) series, seems to be how the motherboard manufacturers implemented stuff, not AMD's fault, but that might be a problem that you can't understand, as the Intel-freak you are.

MegaFalloutFan:

You are misinformed. WHEA errors and file corruption happened on x570 chipset when PCIE Gen 3devices installed and have their own non windows driver: Nvidia card, Samsung SSD etc AMD admitted to this and have a blog post about it, their "solution" is to mask WHEA errors so they wont appear, thats what it says. As far as file corruption, most people [ more like 99.9%] very rarely check their windows for system file corruption and majority never opened Event Viewer in their life. Turbo Boost is a known issue, none of AMD CPUs can hit advertised turbo on single core, and when they do, it happens for second [whats called a spike] and then drops down to low speed, such turbo has no value. Compare this vs how turbo should work, Intel CPUs, Ryzen 1000/2000 and youll understand

There was no corruption. People were just running sfc and assuming the repairs were due to the WHEA errors. I've gotten dozen of those errors on both my X570 motherboards and my SFC/DISM shows zero corruption. This was debunked the first day it was found.

patteSatan:

The "new" Intel cpu should be named "Cascade Fail-X-Times fixing old bugs", and to @MegaFalloutFan, the problem about the boostclocks on the Ryzen 3xxx(x) series, seems to be how the motherboard manufacturers implemented stuff, not AMD's fault, but that might be a problem that you can't understand, as the Intel-freak you are.

An ASUS employee said AMD lowered the frequency to assist in long term reliability. Even if it's not AMD's fault AMD should be working with their partners to ensure the products they are selling are performing to what they are advertising. AMD should have cleared everything up by issuing a statement on it - something they haven't done yet. That's not to mention the fact that nearly every board, especially the review boards, boosted higher with the initial BIOS than they do with the current one. If Intel had done something akin to this people would be having seizures on their keyboard.

RzrTrek:

I think you're exaggerating, but you'd think Intel would be on 10nm by now. I still think what they're trying to do is cool, but I'm clearly not the target audience.

It's obviously hyperbole but there is a serious increase in people either being intentional obtuse or incredibly ignorant in a lot of these threads. It's especially frustrating because it's the same people that have been doing it for years. They often contribute nothing useful to the discussion and just repeat the same nonsense week after week.

have a 9900k and I already said, Intel HEDT is game over, I crafted 2 wishlist on my regular webshop and intel prices are crazy they have to adapt or the market % are going to flip around I also made my own tests with my 9900k and while I enjoy even 5.1Ghz today and yes the amd are slower, the thing is for the speed they have they do more, just test it yourself downclock your intel to 4.2Ghz then compare cinebench etc...you'll see amd gets way higher score clock for clock so yes it's slower but does more with it it's not a 1:1 clockspeed/performance ratio technically they are better, amd has a margin to improve intel doesn't I don't understand fans, if I do one thing and you can prove me there's a better way I'll instantly switch I won't try to find a way to diminish your way.

Denial:

There was no corruption. People were just running sfc and assuming the repairs were due to the WHEA errors. I've gotten dozen of those errors on both my X570 motherboards and my SFC/DISM shows zero corruption. This was debunked the first day it was found.

Tell that to people with actual corruption computer freezes and broken windows on this forum. YOU have zero corruption, plenty others have a lot.

patteSatan:

The "new" Intel cpu should be named "Cascade Fail-X-Times fixing old bugs", and to @MegaFalloutFan, the problem about the boostclocks on the Ryzen 3xxx(x) series, seems to be how the motherboard manufacturers implemented stuff, not AMD's fault, but that might be a problem that you can't understand, as the Intel-freak you are.

Sure its the motherboard manufacturers "fault" its all them, AMD is fine, the house is not on fire.

kakiharaFRS:

have a 9900k and I already said, Intel HEDT is game over, I crafted 2 wishlist on my regular webshop and intel prices are crazy they have to adapt or the market % are going to flip around I also made my own tests with my 9900k and while I enjoy even 5.1Ghz today and yes the amd are slower, the thing is for the speed they have they do more, just test it yourself downclock your intel to 4.2Ghz then compare cinebench etc...you'll see amd gets way higher score clock for clock so yes it's slower but does more with it it's not a 1:1 clockspeed/performance ratio technically they are better, amd has a margin to improve intel doesn't I don't understand fans, if I do one thing and you can prove me there's a better way I'll instantly switch I won't try to find a way to diminish your way.

Cinebench doesn't represent real life performance, most of us are gamers here so here is a nice link with benchmarks, pay attention to the 1% FPS, how 3900x and 3600x most of the time are close to each other while one is twice cheaper and how Intel is faster anywhere up to 40FPS in 1% category. When Ryzen 3000 benchmarks came out, the initial wave had just average FPS, and it looked in the same area of Intel results and people got hyped, but now that people did deeper benchmarks, Ryzen 3000 has lower 0.1% and 1% results compared to intel in 1080p and even 1440p, even in GPU limited 4K it still slower compared to Intel in plenty games. Since the day of Ryzen 1000/2000 and to this day ryzen has slower NVMe performance compared to Intel. Even AMDs own first Gen PCIE GEN4 NVMe drives [AMD said they helped develop the first gen PCIe Gen 4 based NVMe controller to speed things up and have the SSDs ready for release] perform better on Intel PCIe Gen 3.0 in every benchmark except synthetic sequential Read. The situation is not one sided as Fanbois pretend it is: "AMD is cheaper and faster", it isnt cheaper if you move from Intel and dont want to buy outdated chipsets that are not made anymore and were manufactured by assmedia, a company most people hate for poor quality and under-performing controllers. AMD is not faster then Intel if you a Gamer first, if you need fast AVX2 for work, its not faster if you need AVX512, its much slower if you into Emulation, especially Advanced console emulation like PS3, Xbox360, even Gamecube, its not faster if you need TSX [ for example PS3 emulator uses it to speed up emulation], its not fast if you relay on lowest RAM to CPU latency, its not faster if you relay on fast Cache and low Cache latency, Ryzen lacks any graphics chip and i only mention it because Intel CPU has QuickSync so if Ryzen is faster vs Intel head to head in Video encoding, it loses to Intel the moment you enable quicksync. My2c I game in 4K so i dont care about gaming FPS that much, im not fanboy i had 1090T, i had AMD Athlon CPU back during Single Core and Dual core era, and im interested in doing RAID0 with two NVme drives, which cant be done on Intel mainstream motherboard or AMD pre x570 motherboard, it can be done on x570. I always wanted 16+ core Server/Workstation/Gaming Monster with tons of NAND, Opatne and RAM, Intel [for now] its too expensive, old TR is not good for gaming [maybe TR3 will perform as fast as Ryzen 3000 in gaming, that will be good], so im "stuck" with 3950x With all my dislike for AMDs cheapness and low performance in Gaming, its the only 16 core option if i dont want to spend insane money

MegaFalloutFan:

Sure its the motherboard manufacturers "fault" its all them, AMD is fine, the house is not on fire.

There could be a candle lit in the house and that'd be enough for you to say the whole house is on fire.

MegaFalloutFan:

Tell that to people with actual corruption computer freezes and broken windows on this forum. YOU have zero corruption, plenty others have a lot.

Yeah I don't believe it - sorry man. Show me one thread where there is corruption and "broken windows" directly linked to the WHEA errors. I personally know 3 people with 3000 chips - none of us have problems with corruption in Windows, all of us have WHEA errors. When the whole corruption thing started I was one of the first people to post about it on this forum - for the next 2-3 days I followed it on reddit and various other forums, no one was able to confidently say it was coming from the WHEA errors. It was just random people running DISM/SFC and saying that it found problems - some of those people actively admitted switching from Intel to AMD and not reinstalling Windows and/or having the same Windows install for years. Some of these people weren't even getting the WHEA errors with their hard drives but with video cards and still claiming it corrupted files because SFC said so. You need to actually link the WHEA error with corruption and prove it came from it. If I went to work right now and ran SFC on every machine like 40% of them would report some kind of file being replaced - we don't have AMD. Should I proclaim Intel has corruption issues? No. Same way you shouldn't here.