Neo Cyrus:

What good is how fast any of these chips are if they're exclusive to a locked down platform that can't even be used as a normal PC? An iPhone might have the fastest chips, but it's worthless to me considering you practically don't own it with how retard-controlled it is. Apple's PCs are just a half step away from that now that they're no longer x86. Last I heard you can't even do something as simple as change your default music app, wouldn't want those filthy peasants who paid over a thousand dollars to rent the phone to have an option to use a different music provider!

iPhones don't have the fastest chips and the M1 isn't the fastest either. Their locked-down and proprietary nature is why their chips yield such good performance. They can finely tune their software for their platforms, because there's no variety and no room for variation. Granted, Apple shouldn't prevent you from installing whatever you want on your phone (such as a different music provider). Sometimes the control they seek is just so unnecessary.

Noisiv:

10% ahead of Ubuntu, acc to latest Phoronix 62 tests benchmark. Very nice. Focusing all of Intel's might to come up with 10%, while admirable, does not really substantiate the lazy devs accusation.

I phrased myself in a deliberate way. Clear is 10% faster today. Years ago, it used to be much faster than a 10% average. Thanks to what Clear proved could be done, many other distros (including Ubuntu) included the optimizations they made. So the laziness is that for so many years prior to the project, nobody was optimizing anything. Since Clear is open-source, I wouldn't be surprised if many devs just simply copied Clear's work. Although it's good we're finally seeing improvements that take advantage of modern CPUs, the bad news is if Intel decides to stop working on Clear, we're probably not going to see things improving anymore. AMD makes some of their own contributions too, but they mostly just focus on optimizing compilers, schedulers, and the kernel only for their CPUs. Obviously there's nothing wrong with improving those things, but Intel's work on Clear yields more performance to more users, at least on x86.

HARDRESET:

Magic power of ASUS DARK HERO DOCS

50K??? What CPU are you running to get that score there? I'm running overclocked 5950X and only get 40426 in that CPU benchmark!

Apple's M1 single core comparison reminds me of the adage, "Most people use statistics like a drunk uses a lamppost; more for support than illumination." For anyone interested in some illumination, M1's single-core perf was covered 3 months ago by tech editorials: https://wccftech.com/why-apple-m1-single-core-comparisons-are-fundamentally-flawed-with-benchmarks/

Still not sure why the Intel chip is only running at 3.6Ghz?

Dribble:

Still not sure why the Intel chip is only running at 3.6Ghz?

If you notice the 5950x runs at 3.4, in fact both processors run overclocked to catch high single threads

Ryu5uzaku:

You do know that M1 has like triple the transistors compared to 5900/5950 or Intel 11700. It's an awesome soc Apple made but it's also quite a bit more expensive to make than AMD or Intel processors. Apple can drown alot of the price because they don't really sell hardware they sell service attached to the hardware and gain money from that. For AMD and Intel making something like this would be more akin to suicide. Google and Microsoft could do it. I guess the soc in ps5 and Xbox series X are the most comparable things.

Apple is definitely selling a hardware+software combo. It's trying to get more revenue from services, but it's fundamentally a devices company (hence their insistence on selling privacy, basically). The M1 has 16 billion transistors, and it also includes a GPU, and bespoke tensor accelerators etc. The 5600x is around 7 billion transistors of just basically CPU. The differences aren't that great honestly. But I would be very interested to see a Zen CPU on an interposer with some HBM.

PrMinisterGR:

Apple is definitely selling a hardware+software combo. It's trying to get more revenue from services, but it's fundamentally a devices company (hence their insistence on selling privacy, basically). The M1 has 16 billion transistors, and it also includes a GPU, and bespoke tensor accelerators etc. The 5600x is around 7 billion transistors of just basically CPU. The differences aren't that great honestly. But I would be very interested to see a Zen CPU on an interposer with some HBM.

4.15 billion I think is for the CCD and 2.05 billion for the I/O die on that 5600x. I would think if AMD also made a SoC integrated in to a board it would probably be a smaller die in terms of needing transistors also. But alas I dunno how much does something like Vega embedded to a 5xxx series add to the transistors most likely not much?

Ryu5uzaku:

4.15 billion I think is for the CCD and 2.05 billion for the I/O die on that 5600x. I would think if AMD also made a SoC integrated in to a board it would probably be a smaller die in terms of needing transistors also. But alas I dunno how much does something like Vega embedded to a 5xxx series add to the transistors most likely not much?

The estimate is around ~5bn transistors. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-vega-8.c3042 All things considering, they aren't crazy on the transistor budget.

I'd never touch anything Appled. Not fan of getting prestige from nothing.

itpro:

I'd never touch anything Appled. Not fan of getting prestige from nothing.

Here in EU we dont use apple products. It seems this part of the world is little smarter.

Undying:

Here in EU we dont use apple products. It seems this part of the world is little smarter.

By no one you mean nearly the same as the US, right?

Denial:

By no one you mean nearly the same as the US, right?

Varies quite a bit per country - eastern European countries use apple a lot less, while sadly apple has a huge share in Denmark. So many crapple fans here, it's obnoxious.

Dragam1337:

Varies quite a bit per country - eastern European countries use apple a lot less, while sadly apple has a huge share in Denmark. So many crapple fans here, it's obnoxious.

He said the "EU" specifically - of which 30% use a iPhone vs 47% in the US (which is actually up by a lot in the last few years) but the EU's population is ~100M more than the US. This is terms of smart phones -- but a quick glance at Apple's EU marketshare in computers doesn't show them that far behind other companies anyway. That being said you're right about it being different with each country - I think you'll find a pretty large correlation between a country's GDP and % market share of Apple products. I personally don't see the problem with Apple. Everyone in here bitches about Intel not being competitive, what happens when industries don't have competition - but for some reason don't take this stance when it comes to Apple. The user experience of Android was trash for half a decade, animations were laggy, screens weren't properly calibrated, the market was completely fragmented -- all of that changed because of pressure from Apple. Laptops were the same way.. the entire industry was in a race to the bottom, in 2008 you'd have 15" plastic trash laptops with like 2" bezels and a 720p screen as the default experience.. Apple started pushing aluminum unibody, higher res calibrated displays, etc - suddenly everyone was forced to compete then out came the Surface, Dell XPS line got overhauled to actually be modern, etc. That's not to mention that when the alternative to Apple is essentially two other companies that have shit records in terms of ethics, then are you really standing on some high ground by not supporting them?

I don't like Linux, I don't like Mac OS, I don't like ios. Income and country is irrelevant. People should learn some basic data science how clients think. I accept that Apple had many breakthroughs. Apple is the reason we have better quality displays and portability, materials, etc as mentioned above, but nothing more. Apple is the reason also for camera or performance benchmarking in phones. I admire their uniqueness, M1 is great but for an underwhelming OS and small ecosystem. It's like bragging for owning a Ferrari without smooth roads and parking. 😀