Weird to think about how in a couple years, an 8 core CPU is going to seem rather low end.

a 16 core ccx will be nice.

schmidtbag:

Weird to think about how in a couple years, an 8 core CPU is going to seem rather low end.

It's already on the weak side, considering that the commoner platform has up to 16. If you include the Threadrippers which go all the way to 64, and soon 96 ... 8-core has been low end for quite a while ! I've been at 8c since Zen 1 ( R7 1700 ), and definitely skipped the 8 core from Zen 4, despite being faster than current Zen 3, it just didn't feel like a proper upgrade. Next upgrade will go straight for 16 for sure ( R9 8900X ? ) And yea, I'm totally skipping any Intel room warmers, until they get their sh|t in order with power use. Maybe they'll have a comeback in 2-3 years time, but ... by that time I had already upgraded to Zen 5.

schmidtbag:

Weird to think about how in a couple years, an 8 core CPU is going to seem rather low end.

I just recently went from the 5900x to a 5800X3D which actually gave me a nice bump in fps for the 4090. I have to say, while the smoothness and higher fps is much better on it, i really miss the extra cores. I'm now getting bottlenecked by the cpu on many cases like my steam download caps at around 230MB/sec when it used to be bottlenecked at around 340MB/sec. Steam actually used all 24 threads at 100% when downloading a game on the 5900x. There are many instances where i'm feeling the squeeze of only having 8 cores. I don't regret the purchase but yeah, 8 core is really on the low end these days.

Thing is that for gaming its still all about that single core performance. 7600x is ahead of 5950x in every game despite having lower core count. 8600x will be ahead of 7950x. You'll always be limited by that primary thread.

The thing is, not everything is about gaming. PCs do many other things too... --- But still, considering just gaming: Judging by the recent update from Cyberpunk and recent versions of UE5, more and powerful cores will REALLY be needed for games, not just that single almighty thread. The way games work today is shifting massively, dynamically generated worlds, in-place object instancing (objects are created and destroyed as you move around, instead of being always there), and many other techniques I'm not even pretending to understand... and all of that takes tons of CPU power, even before the rendering thread starts working. Not to mention all the other tasks which are increasing in complexity, all the AI characters that move around and do stuff, they all take CPU calculations. More and more games are starting to appear that are not bound by the limitations of consoles, and they'll definitely need 8+ cores just for themselves, soon maybe even 12 will be "low end"

If Zen5 isn't at least 20% IPC increase I shall skip and wait for Zen6. I've gone from 1800X, 2700X, 3900X, 5900X, 7800X3D. But its crazy to think that I only had 2 motherboards for this and selling the previous chip made the upgrade path a breeze on the wallet. Still, 7800X3D is more than enough for another couple years. So Zen6 is looking like the one.

wavetrex:

The thing is, not everything is about gaming. PCs do many other things too... --- But still, considering just gaming: Judging by the recent update from Cyberpunk and recent versions of UE5, more and powerful cores will REALLY be needed for games, not just that single almighty thread. The way games work today is shifting massively, dynamically generated worlds, in-place object instancing (objects are created and destroyed as you move around, instead of being always there), and many other techniques I'm not even pretending to understand... and all of that takes tons of CPU power, even before the rendering thread starts working. Not to mention all the other tasks which are increasing in complexity, all the AI characters that move around and do stuff, they all take CPU calculations. More and more games are starting to appear that are not bound by the limitations of consoles, and they'll definitely need 8+ cores just for themselves, soon maybe even 12 will be "low end"

Did you play some of the UE5 games that came out? Or majority UE4 games? They all still heavily rely on single thread performance none of those games have high cpu utilization. CDPR is also moving to UE5 from red engine.

schmidtbag:

Weird to think about how in a couple years, an 8 core CPU is going to seem rather low end.

I think 8 cores is going to be the sweet spot for gaming for the next years. For casual user, even a decent dual core is more than enough.

CPC_RedDawn:

I shall skip and wait for Zen6 ... 7800X3D

Yeah, you already got something that is "too good" to worth upgrading. In my case, I have the old 5800X, not even the 3D... the upgrade to Zen 5 will be massive, probably near +100% single thread, and a lot more multithread if they bump up the core count for a "3D" version. From a Zen 4 3D not so much.

57 bit virtual address, I missed that part. So the current servers are already there I guess...

LimitbreakOr:

I'm now getting bottlenecked by the cpu on many cases like my steam download caps at around 230MB/sec when it used to be bottlenecked at around 340MB/sec. Steam actually used all 24 threads at 100% when downloading a game on the 5900x. There are many instances where i'm feeling the squeeze of only having 8 cores. I don't regret the purchase but yeah, 8 core is really on the low end these days.

That doesn't make sense, i have a i7 4790 cpu, and i download at 300Mb/s, only limited by bandwidth

Picolete:

That doesn't make sense, i have a i7 4790 cpu, and i download at 300Mb/s, only limited by bandwidth

Are you sure you're not mixing up MB and Mb? I have a 3.3Gbit internet.

Core counts on consumer platforms are due an increase soon. Threadripper remains too expensive.