Well looks like I am gonna give in and get a 7700x, X670, and 32GB DDR5 7000.

Agonist:

Well looks like I am gonna give in and get a 7700x, X670, and 32GB DDR5 7000.

If they had the 3D V-cache chips, I'd be doing the same

General Hardware New Discussion: "Hey, Guys. My new Ryzen is stuttering. What would you suggest?"

tty8k:

I'm not very impressed to be honest. Looking at 7900X, for 5nm process, 58% more transistors, almost 1GHz more clock and 70% more consumption they managed an average of 20-25% more fps in gaming at 1080p.

RAM and GPU are also involved in a PC.

Boing by AMD's presentation, they seem to be very powerful CPUs. It's going to be very interesting seeing the benchmarks between Zen4 and Alder Lake. And then against Raptor Lake. I wonder if AMD can release a 7800X3D in time for the Raptor Lake release. I was expecting to see something regarding AM4. But it was all about Zen4. 🙁

No 7800 info, because it's probably the most reasonable out of all these options. No 7800X3D info, because it's probably the best gaming CPU of AMD's generation. Maybe it's just me, but for a gamer, it feels like they just want you to suck up and either buy a CPU bigger than you want, or smaller than you'd want. At least I'm pretty positive that at some point, you'll be able to upgrade without having to change MB / RAM. But right now, it doesn't really look like I'd want a day 1 buy tbh.

I'll wait for the 3D variations to come out. From this point on, in my opinion (as far as AMD CPUs go) 3D variations are too important to spend any big money on the 'regular' ones. It requires the move to another AM socket, so new Motherboard, then DDR5 so buy new memory again, then the CPU itself. It's a lot especially nowadays with the prices. So if anything yeah I'll wait for the 3D variations to come out and then judge from that point if I want to do such an upgrade or not. However, I think that for anyone currently owning Ryzen Gen 3 CPUs you'd be fine keeping that and just upgrade your GPU instead to the next gen. That's a single upgrade and it would overall result in a much better performance improvement (for gaming, at least) than a mere Ryzen 3 to 4 move would provide (especially for gaming at 1440p and above).

New motherboard and RAM, yes, for the first time in years, and people are not happy. They want faster this, more energy efficient that, lower priced whatever, its the real world people. You will never get Faster AND Cheaper AND More efficient, best you can hope for is two of the above.

Amen, some folks have severe tunnel vision and silly expectations, when did anything newer or better cost less than the older version? X3d are out this year they have already said, I personally am thnking after Intel releases its CPU AMD will drop the x3ds for games to try and upset Intels party on all counts, power, MC and Games with the X3d with of course the added benefit of long term socket life. Me am looking for a 7950 as soon as its available

5nm ? pcie4 on the chipset, apu ??? , no vcache ? how much tdp ? is this a joke ? looks to me like a placeholder or better say 'fake' competition against intel, they had to release something i guess so they pumped up a mobile chip into desktop segment. well i think the 2-3nm with no apu, pcie 6 everywhere, heaps of vcache and a tdp of max 65w with clocks speeds of 6ghz+ and new mem tech would be my next build. but what is this here ? im not even talking x86_64, 40 years old. no wonder we are still stuck at this min levels of ghz. pressing the last drop out of the stone.

Maddness:

If they had the 3D V-cache chips, I'd be doing the same

Even without 3d cache, a 7800x will be a nice jump from my 5600x. Buying a new cpu, board, and ram feels more worthy then me dropping $450+ for a 5800x3d. I know someone who just picked up a 5950x for $399. Lucky SOB lol

It's worth remembering that Zen4 is really just Zen3 ported to 5nm - I guess the reason they call it Zen4 is because of the addition of AVX512 - Zen 5 will likely be the next major improvement. I imagine clock for clock, performance will be similar, with IPC improvements only being related to the cache increases

Truder:

It's worth remembering that Zen4 is really just Zen3 ported to 5nm - I guess the reason they call it Zen4 is because of the addition of AVX512 - Zen 5 will likely be the next major improvement. I imagine clock for clock, performance will be similar, with IPC improvements only being related to the cache increases

did you even read the article? there are substantial uArch changes, not least in the caches, a lower real world tdp this is not a refresh and it's more substantial than the Zen 2+ was to Zen 2

tunejunky:

did you even read the article? there are substantial uArch changes, not least in the caches, a lower real world tdp this is not a refresh and it's more substantial than the Zen 2+ was to Zen 2

Yes, it's mostly just additional cache increases - the major changes stem from the iodie

Many here seem to crave only the 3d cache versions but i don`t think they are anything special. Sure, they offer a very nice performance bump when gaming, the only reason why i buy good hardware, but that increase becomens minimal when using real resolutions. Even worse, the price difference between the "normal" versions and the ones with 3d cache is so big that for me is better to buy the cheaper CPU and use the difference to buy a better GPU. This is just my opinion anyway. As for the new line up, the 7700x seems perfect but it`s a little more expensive than i want and with the high prices of MBs, i`m asking myself if it`s worth the money. The problem is that Intel is going to charge the same or even more...

i finally had a look at X670 (non E) mobos and - they're no more expensive than AL (w/DDR4) or X570 (actually cheaper on avg as "E" takes on all of the ones with steroidal VRMs). the biggest drag on the non "E" board sales is that DDR 5 6000 magic point. 6000Mhz is still expensive

Would be cool to own a 7700X or 7900X but I prefer a GPU than CPU upgrade this generation, 5900X still works fine.

reminder I run both a 5950x and 12900k computers currently 12900k got the 3090 and yesterday was an almost constant 830W@psu while playing "the ascent" max RT and all...in 1080p (+ video encoding) to say you could feel the heatwave coming out of the case is an understatement, it's like a fireplace next to you so I worry....I worry people aren't seeing what I see and that the TDP went from 105W to 170W a 62% increase, a TDP worse than the (fake) 125W TDP of the 12900k I have no doubt amd is better : my 5950x with a heavy custom loop does 29k cbR23 at 72°C while 12900k barely does 28k but at 93+ a huge difference in cooling and generated heat but the truth for having did many tests your usual reviewers don't like comparing both at fixed cpu clocks 3.5-4.0-4.5Ghz I know clock is the real heat and wattage problem of Intel not it's nanometers, a same clock Intel actually runs cooler than an AMD...with less performance of course that's where AMD shines clock for clock it's king still reading 5+Ghz while knowing how much volts amd likes makes me fear for a furnace, I like my 5950x the generated heat/performance is the best I have ever seen in a computer I hope AMD didn't go the Nvidia route 😕 hope I'm wrong already checking X670 motherboards ^^ currently eying the Meg Ace "lucky me" all the top tier motherboards have the same huge design flaws Z690s had with a "cooler" almost touching the backplate (meaning if you use you gpu you will actively heat your m.2 or vrm block with hundreds of watts) of my current 380w gpu maybe more in the future, that's a huge no-go for me

i will wait for Agners architecture guide.

kakiharaFRS:

reminder I run both a 5950x and 12900k computers currently 12900k got the 3090 and yesterday was an almost constant 830W@psu while playing "the ascent" max RT and all...in 1080p (+ video encoding) to say you could feel the heatwave coming out of the case is an understatement, it's like a fireplace next to you so I worry....I worry people aren't seeing what I see and that the TDP went from 105W to 170W a 62% increase, a TDP worse than the (fake) 125W TDP of the 12900k I have no doubt amd is better : my 5950x with a heavy custom loop does 29k cbR23 at 72°C while 12900k barely does 28k but at 93+ a huge difference in cooling and generated heat but the truth for having did many tests your usual reviewers don't like comparing both at fixed cpu clocks 3.5-4.0-4.5Ghz I know clock is the real heat and wattage problem of Intel not it's nanometers, a same clock Intel actually runs cooler than an AMD...with less performance of course that's where AMD shines clock for clock it's king still reading 5+Ghz while knowing how much volts amd likes makes me fear for a furnace, I like my 5950x the generated heat/performance is the best I have ever seen in a computer I hope AMD didn't go the Nvidia route 😕 hope I'm wrong already checking X670 motherboards ^^ currently eying the Meg Ace "lucky me" all the top tier motherboards have the same huge design flaws Z690s had with a "cooler" almost touching the backplate (meaning if you use you gpu you will actively heat your m.2 or vrm block with hundreds of watts) of my current 380w gpu maybe more in the future, that's a huge no-go for me

LMAO what are you bubbling about? My 12700K, 3080 OC system with 55" 4K TV and PC speakers, router connected to wall power monitor in total using ~400W when playing this game in 4K with RT. Yes 12900K is more power hungry than 12700K but not by much in games. And 3090 is like +100W tops over 3080. I call BS on this whole nonsense you posted.