Hello guys and gals, I made a few more tests and benchmarks with my 9900k and the results are : - at the same clock speed (chose 4.20Ghz) a 9900k runs actually cooler than an AMD and uses less watts (cpu only 90w@4.2) but..... - because they easily OC to 5.0 all cores if I run cinebench I get (very slightly) better scores than in most website benchmarks (cineR20 5150-506 5.0@allcores), now remember that ryzen 3000 basically auto-oc themselves so saying "compare stock vs stock" sorry but it doesn't work anymore, amd has almost no OC margin just like nvidia gpus,but intel doesn't do that so overclocking is absolutely fair as they still sell you a product with a margin for "better" (I'm talking about changing 2-3 settings in bios in a 2 min tweak) (off-topic but the car world is following that trend too, rather than sell you cars with over-built engine blocks that could handle much more horsepower, now they go toward selling you maxed engines who can't take much more without heavy changes, which is logical really their goal is to get the most money out of as little material they can) so why am I posting this here ? read below Cinebench R20 multi-threading : my result with 9900k@4.2Ghz = 4215 Cinebench R20 multi-threading : Hilbert 3800x (stock I assume) review = 4965 Cinebench R20 multi-threading : my result with 9900k@5.0Ghz = 5150 In the end, Ryzen 3000 brings you Mhz for Mhz more performance using 20% less Watts (3800x vs my 9900k) and with lower temperatures (-10°C than my 9900k but i've got better cooling than an amd wraith so ryzen would run even colder with my setup) "AMD : same performance for cheaper, less Watts and lower temperatures" sounds better than "buy that 4.6Ghz CPU..oh wait it only does 4.2 or maybe even 4.0 if you are unlucky" fiasco https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-3000-pre-binned-cpus-ryzen-9-3900x-ryzen-7-3700x-3800x-stats/ they need to seriously revise their marketing as myself and I think many others quickly pulled the e-brake when Ryzen 3000 clock speeds started appearing. Something is not right if I have to make my own comparisons to understand in what Ryzen is better. I was going to buy a 3900x (i need more of cpu lanes for thunderbolt 3 etc...) but since they still aren't available I guess I'll wait for the 3950x now p.s. I would buy a 3800x rather than a 3700x personnally, we know now, check my link above that you are paying for a better binned 8-core cpu basically, is 70$ too much really ? compared to several ssds, nvme, gpu etc ?

Zippozippo:

I think 3900X is just the way to go if you can afford it, 12c/24t is futureproof no matter which angle youre looking at,even with minus 5fps out of 125 fps from 9900K, heck I can live with that,and I dont play at 1080p let alone 720p.

With future gpu's, you will get the same scenario that some games will be cpubound in 1440p+. So what then? Then 3900x is not futureproof, because 15-20% slower in some cpuintensive games. 1440p is the new 1080p with future gpu's. Even with 2080ti now. 9900k is soon 1 year old, so it's not smart to buy that cpu either for "future gaming", and it's not smart to buy 3900x that IS slower than 9900k in gaming. Both cpu's sux in different ways 😀 Buy Ryzen 3600 with a used x370 MB IS smart and value for the money. 😉 ------- Intel 7980xe direct die cooled was futureproof if you bought it at day 1. Epic performance in gaming AND everything else. -if you can afford it 😀

I saw the screen shot of 1.48V at 3800Mhz Dats a lot of V core! for 3800? I guess the money saved could buy a nice custom loop to lower the V core, but no overclocking? I get sick of seeing AMD this and AMD that, when we are supposed to be an Enthusiast site, people who over clock. Yet were shown none of the 4600Mhz CPU'S that were advertised by AMD, and no one seems to be bent about it? I'm not trying to flame here, I am trying to cause discussion about these very issue's(which to me are deal breakers). I'm sure ill get a warning or a ban for not seeing the light like and the other people here, then again I wont be following you over Niagara Falls Either!!!

DW75:

It appears that the only CPU out of the 3700X, 3800X, and 3900X that is actually boosting to its advertised speed or higher is the 3800X. Mine hits 4.55-4.65 on its own, and every other 3800X seems to also be hitting at least the advertised 4.5 speed without overclocking. Aura89 is also a 3800X owner, and his hits 4.5 at stock as well. The 3700X is limited by its 65 watt TDP, and I think AMD should have made it a 90 watt part instead. They could have just done this, and then there would be no need for the 3800X to exist. I bet that future AGESA updates will cause the 3800X to pull further ahead of the 3700X in performance. AGESA 1.0.0.3ABB has already slightly reduced the speed of the 3700X.

Seeing as all the AMD chips are unlocked, there's nothing stopping anyone from putting a 90W limit on the 65W CPU's ? ;)

Evildead666:

I think the idle voltages are Bios issues, i'm on the AB Bios, and see quite high idle voltages too. My 3800X Boosts to within 15-25MHz of Max boost, currently. I'll have to check again to see if the Chipset drivers are up to date. The ABB Bios seems to resolve a lot of the issues afaik.

Yea I am on ABB with the newest chipset driver and my biggest issue right now is in combination with Corsair iCue. Even before ABB if I turn off iCue idle voltage drops to 1.1-1.2V. I've also noticed since updating to ABB I am getting WHEA errors again (but ID 20 variety and not the ID 17 that people's been getting I've only ever seen ID 20 on my setup); I seemed to have stop getting them when I first updated to newest chipset driver but since updating to ABB it's starting to show up again.

you shouldn't keep icue running anyway.

Astyanax:

you shouldn't keep icue running anyway.

if it's any help to Corsair peripherals users I found recently why iCue used 8-9% of my cpu making the cpu run at max clock non-stop go in settings and uncheck "enable SDK" it's what using the cpu so much, after disabling it iCue only uses 1.0-1.2% of my cpu allowing it to downclock to 800Mhz (intel) Corsair is not the only one with that kind of thing as G.Skill trident z lightning rgb control app does the same if you activate the "music mode" (7% cpu usage)

Evildead666:

Seeing as all the AMD chips are unlocked, there's nothing stopping anyone from putting a 90W limit on the 65W CPU's ? ;)

what do you mean ? are you still thinking in the "good old overclocking" manner ? that's not how things work anymore, not for AMD nor nvidia 3700x are inferior cpus that didn't pass the same quality tests at the factory there's no magical overclock that will somehow make them as good as a 3800x DerBauer says it Steve from GN says it Jayz2cents says it and most have made videos proving it, that's how it is you buy a cpu or gpu that already runs near it's max and the only way to have more is to go below 0°C if that's really what you meant the you could somehow make it as good as a 3800x then I'm not surprised again I have a comparison with cars as people do not want to admit times have changed and still continue to put bigger turbos, E85 and stuff and 100% end up blowing their stock engine, the era of "overclocking" just like SLI is over, it's dead, companies have learned to optimize their sales, maximize their profits and start selling binned versions of cpus at different prices

ladcrooks:

Why is he or she joking? I fudging hate w10 , so many back allies to get to a simple task, so many add on's that creep back after a update, a NET Framework version I cant use and 2 games free from AMD require it before you can use the reward system. No you are the joke - everybody has to like your taste in matters

Wat? Its not like people have choices. 7 is obsolete. It wont install on new mobos/CPUs, as MS has ceased support for drivers. You hating Win 10 is irrelevant. For anyone on new hardware, 7 is not an option.

kakiharaFRS:

what do you mean ? are you still thinking in the "good old overclocking" manner ? that's not how things work anymore, not for AMD nor nvidia 3700x are inferior cpus that didn't pass the same quality tests at the factory there's no magical overclock that will somehow make them as good as a 3800x DerBauer says it Steve from GN says it Jayz2cents says it and most have made videos proving it, that's how it is you buy a cpu or gpu that already runs near it's max and the only way to have more is to go below 0°C if that's really what you meant the you could somehow make it as good as a 3800x then I'm not surprised again I have a comparison with cars as people do not want to admit times have changed and still continue to put bigger turbos, E85 and stuff and 100% end up blowing their stock engine, the era of "overclocking" just like SLI is over, it's dead, companies have learned to optimize their sales, maximize their profits and start selling binned versions of cpus at different prices

Re-read my post, and specifically what I replied to. Then you won't have to ask what I mean. 😉 edit : I've gone and bolded it to help.

So when is AMD coming with an cpu that beats the OLD overclocked 7980xe in everything? Like rendering AND gaming/latencysensitiv programs? https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-46720700-1566164103.png

Astyanax:

you shouldn't keep icue running anyway.

Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things.

kakiharaFRS:

if it's any help to Corsair peripherals users I found recently why iCue used 8-9% of my cpu making the cpu run at max clock non-stop go in settings and uncheck "enable SDK" it's what using the cpu so much, after disabling it iCue only uses 1.0-1.2% of my cpu allowing it to downclock to 800Mhz (intel) Corsair is not the only one with that kind of thing as G.Skill trident z lightning rgb control app does the same if you activate the "music mode" (7% cpu usage)

Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.

nizzen:

So when is AMD coming with an cpu that beats the OLD overclocked 7980xe in everything? Like rendering AND gaming/latencysensitiv programs? https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-46720700-1566164103.png

Shouldn't you be comparing to Threadripper? Its still the wrong thread.

Agonist:

I still sew moronic fanboyism runs amuck with Intel shills.

They'll never go away....

kakiharaFRS:

Hello guys and gals, I made a few more tests and benchmarks with my 9900k and the results are :

So, how much does Intel pay you to shill for them?

DW75:

Windows 10 LTSC is the only Windows 10 I will use.

I just got myself a copy of same, I'll take the leap off of 7 here this fall when I got nothing to do. I don't want to but it's time.

I think this look to be the better deal then 9900k. I really am tempted to just make new system even though my personal 6700k will be fine for the next 2 years or so

bballfreak6:

Why? My fans are controlled by the Commander Pro so wouldn't I need it running? Also lighting side of things. Thanks for that info! Will test it out when I get home.

because the CPUID sdk is questionably stable.

Astyanax:

because the CPUID sdk is questionably stable.

Can that control my fans that are plugged into the Commander Pro? Also @kakiharaFRS you're a legend. By unticking the Enable SDK option my idle voltage now drops to 1.05-1.25; though it still can spike up to 1.4 when I move my mouse but it's a massive improvement nonetheless!

disabling that option disables cpuid sdk, so that works out fine too. forgot it was an option.

Astyanax:

disabling that option disables cpuid sdk, so that works out fine too. forgot it was an option.

Haha now I see what you're trying to say. So I tried different mouse polling rate to see if it has an effect on idle voltage as it spikes when I move my mouse and sure enough by dropping polling rate to 500Hz voltage stays mostly around ~1.1V with spikes to 1.2-3V and the very occasional jump to 1.4V; dropping it to 250Hz pretty much ensures it staying below 1.25V all the time (mostly hangs around 1.05-1.15V). Update: on Reddit someone suggested changing settings under Ryzen Balanced power plan to min processor state at 5% and maximum at 99% and now even at full 1000Hz polling rate idle voltage now stays at ~0.98V. Update 2: doing so seems to drop my boost clock quite a bit running Cinebench R20 from ~3.95GHz sustained to 3.5GHz.