AMD Ryzen 7 3800X review - Comments (Page 2)

JamesSneed

2019-08-16 17:47

Richard Nutman:

I wonder if any or many games studios use Intel's compiler to build? It has been shown to disable optimal code paths at runtime if it detects it's not an Intel cpu. It's just strange how the Zen 2 often beats Intel considerably in single threaded and multi-threaded tests, but when it comes to games, Intel still just has a slight edge. An edge that I don't think is worth caring about, but still.

Its likely down to frequency and latencies involved trying to produce 120+FPS. Also some games are simply going to be more Intel optimized which will give n percent better performance but that percentage makes a higher number when you get into very high frame rates so it seems like a larger difference than it really is. See this video for a 3700x and 9900k at 4Ghz on all cores compared. AMD is winning in CS:GO in this test and many of the workstation tests. For the most part what this means is AMD needs to get the boost frequency up to around 5ghz to make the very high FPS gamers choose them over Intel which we hopefully will see on the 7nm+ process next year.

#5700777

Toadstool

2019-08-16 17:51

The 3800x is more interesting than I thought I'd be. It's still pretty much a stopgap between the 3700x and 3900x but the bump over the 3700x is more than I thought it'd be, still maybe not as good bang for your buck as the 3700x but interesting none the less. Also, karma777police never disappoints.

#5700783

schmidtbag

2019-08-16 18:12

MonstroMart:

Yeah but any difference in fps over 144 is not worth talking about imo. Personally i think it's dangerous to assume a difference in fps at high fps will translate to the same % of difference in a gpu bound scenario with a lower fps.

I share your opinion, though I know others here would strongly disagree. I personally am satisfied with 60FPS, which is why I'm still fine with my mediocre 1500X.

#5700790

MonstroMart

2019-08-16 18:47

schmidtbag:

I share your opinion, though I know others here would strongly disagree. I personally am satisfied with 60FPS, which is why I'm still fine with my mediocre 1500X.

Personally i like to have between 80-90. I have a 144Hz screen and honestly i can tell when my fps drop in the 60 range. But i'll be honest i can't tell the difference between 100 and 144fps. Maybe some can but personally i can't.

#5700792

alanm

2019-08-16 18:51

So about +10% base clock vs 3700x yet most of the benches are only about 2-3% diff. I know bin milking is a common practice, but would have expected better results tbh.

#5700809

Rich_Guy

2019-08-16 20:02

karma777police:

in other words AMD cpu still suck for gaming.

They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming 🙂

#5700811

nizzen

2019-08-16 20:17

My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking" 😀 https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-59794300-1565977580_thumb.png https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-04281500-1565977874_thumb.png 9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares 😛

#5700816

NCC1701D

2019-08-16 21:06

alanm:

So about +10% base clock vs 3700x yet most of the benches are only about 2-3% diff. I know bin milking is a common practice, but would have expected better results tbh.

I'm wondering if these results are from an older bios/AGESA. For my 3700X, I applied the new chipset drivers and asrock released an updated bios just a couple of days ago for my board. My cinebench scores are right there with the 3800X that HH shows and the 3700X scores shown are right about what my chip used to get before I updated. Assuming the 3800X would be even a notch better than what's shown here depending on which version is used for testing.

#5700829

Agonist

2019-08-16 21:41

I still sew moronic fanboyism runs amuck with Intel shills.

#5700831

Evildead666

2019-08-16 21:43

Rich_Guy:

They don't suck at all for gaming now, ive just gone from a 5930K, to a 3700x, and couldn't be happier, they're great for gaming 🙂

I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X. Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost. Can't wait to actually use it watercooled. edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.

#5700843

H83

2019-08-16 22:07

Very nice CPU but i think the 3700x is a better buy over this one.

MonstroMart:

Personally i like to have between 80-90. I have a 144Hz screen and honestly i can tell when my fps drop in the 60 range. But i'll be honest i can't tell the difference between 100 and 144fps. Maybe some can but personally i can't.

I don´t think anyone can spot that type of differences but the good thing of having an higher FPS than needed is that it compensantes frame drops much better. For example if we have a game running between 80/90 frames and something more taxing happens suddenly, the frame rate can drop bellow the 60 mark and you are going to notice it. But if the game game is running at more than 120 FPS and the same taxing stuff happens, the frame rate will probably drop to the 80/90 mark and we are not going to notice it. So more more is better unless i´m mistaken... Great review as always!

#5700851

Rich_Guy

2019-08-16 22:38

Evildead666:

I'm going froman i5-3570K to a 3800X. Keeping the Vega64 EKWB though. Seem to have changed everything else almost. Can't wait to actually use it watercooled. edit : Have a 6670LP in it atm...best aircooled card I have left.

You wont be disappointed. 🙂

#5700856

Pictus

2019-08-16 23:08

One thing is for sure, current AMD cpus are safer than current Intel cpus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_execution_CPU_vulnerabilities https://i.imgur.com/f23ljdp.png

#5700873

Evildead666

2019-08-16 23:53

Khronikos:

I prefer win 7 aesthetics to be honest. Besides, win 10 gives me nothing but less privacy and more bullshit. At some point yeah a switch will be in order. That time is not now.

I'm pretty sure there's a God Mode for Windows 10 that lets you do just about anything. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&channel=trow&q=win10+god+mode or https://www.howtogeek.com/402458/enable-god-mode-in-windows-10/

#5700877

anticupidon

2019-08-17 00:34

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Oh, I'd be bankrupt to the level of a homeless dude if I need to compensate all my typos! 🙂

Hilbert, you deserve more money and revenue for the honest tech reviews and the effort for offering so fine details in your reviews. Somehow, I just think: This Hilbert, he doesn't sleep, he is some weird borg person so insanely dedicated to giving the last detail for the most accurate tech review. But I digress...

#5700884

bballfreak6

2019-08-17 01:16

DW75:

I am shocked that karma777police has not been banned yet. Great review as always, Hilbert. I am a 3800X owner, and I am getting higher than average stock boosting. My CPU boosts up to 4.55 on 5 cores, and 4.65 on 3 cores. The CPU randomly picks which ones will hit 4.55 and 4.65. I would bet that it will hit even higher clocks once winter comes around. I see no need to overclock this CPU at all.

We need to keep someone around the forum for sh!ts and giggles. Been trying to tinker with my new 3700X a bit over the past few days (not that I am any good at it) and quite frankly I am getting the best overall performance simply letting the CPU do it's own thing which I actually think is wonderful. Despite that there're definitely some teething issues that AMD along with board vendors need to address. FWIW my system has been running very stable otherwise and the only real "concern" is the high idle voltage as we have no way of knowing how it affects the CPU longevity (I for one tend to keep my build for many years) and to a lesser extend CPU not quite boosting to the advertised speeds (though it seems like 3800X owners are not having that issue).

#5700895

Whiplashwang

2019-08-17 02:05

nizzen:

My 3900x is pretty good @ gaming now after "tweaking" 😀 https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-59794300-1565977580_thumb.png https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_08_2019/post-42975-0-04281500-1565977874_thumb.png 9900k is still better in gaming, but who cares 😛

What's your DRAM voltage? Also, is geardownmode on or off?

#5700907

nizzen

2019-08-17 02:57

Whiplashwang:

What's your DRAM voltage? Also, is geardownmode on or off?

Geardownmode off 1,47v dram 4x3200c14 g.skill ripjaws

#5700922

MonstroMart

2019-08-17 04:50

Angushades:

clutching at straws at buddy , I’ve got a perfectly functional push bike with two flat tires at home too.”functional” lol. Anyways I did try win7 on my 9900k and damn it took so look to update even from a fresh downloaded iso from ms “, secondly the schedulers is bad if you have anything above a 4 core system.Mate if you are as savvy are you think you are , you would use something like directory opus for file management, shut 10 for telemetry crap and classic start for the start menu and bam! A modern operating system. Again up to you. Don’t much care about flat earther mind set. Post from phone

Updating a freshly installed windows 7 using the original iso is probably the most painful thing you can do with a computer these days. Last time i installed windows 7 it took like 4-6 hours updating it on a ssd using a 15MB/s internet connection. I just can't imagine how painful it must but on a standard hdd.

#5700996

Evildead666

2019-08-17 13:05

bballfreak6:

We need to keep someone around the forum for sh!ts and giggles. Been trying to tinker with my new 3700X a bit over the past few days (not that I am any good at it) and quite frankly I am getting the best overall performance simply letting the CPU do it's own thing which I actually think is wonderful. Despite that there're definitely some teething issues that AMD along with board vendors need to address. FWIW my system has been running very stable otherwise and the only real "concern" is the high idle voltage as we have no way of knowing how it affects the CPU longevity (I for one tend to keep my build for many years) and to a lesser extend CPU not quite boosting to the advertised speeds (though it seems like 3800X owners are not having that issue).

I think the idle voltages are Bios issues, i'm on the AB Bios, and see quite high idle voltages too. My 3800X Boosts to within 15-25MHz of Max boost, currently. I'll have to check again to see if the Chipset drivers are up to date. The ABB Bios seems to resolve a lot of the issues afaik.