Upcoming week the GeForce GTX 1070 and 1070 Ti will become available. Dont you mean 1050 and 1050ti, eh HH? :P Anyway, price drops are always nice. More options the better.

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10 bucks cheaper for 3x the troubles. there is a lot , I mean a huge lot of un-noticed gamers with dead amd cards, you know they boot into windows with a default driver but try to load any amd driver and the cards black screen..crickets and chirps is all we hear.. If you buy AMD at the moment your an idiot.

You have 290X in you specs. I guess that explans your post. 😀

10 bucks cheaper for 3x the troubles. there is a lot , I mean a huge lot of un-noticed gamers with dead amd cards, you know they boot into windows with a default driver but try to load any amd driver and the cards black screen..crickets and chirps is all we hear.. If you buy AMD at the moment your an idiot.

3x the troubles? When are these "troubles" going to show up? I've been using AMD cards on and off for the last 15 years and none of these "troubles" have shown up yet.....so how much longer do I have to wait for them? Got any actual proof of all these claimed failures?

I also consider it rather timely they introduce a new GPU and then release drivers that broke thousands of cards, if they think i'll buy the 4 series as a replacement they are stupid to boot. There 4 series are rubbish anyways. intel nvidia for me next, AMD are on the way out. Respect is hard won and easily lost.

Last week I switched from an MSI GTX970 Gaming 4G to an XFX Radeon RX 470 RS Triple X. The RX 470 may be slower in benchmarks, but so far the few games I play (BF4, MoH 2010, TL2, SimCity 2K and SimCity) are all smoother and have fewer glitches. The 4 series is far from being "rubbish"... From what I've seen over the last few days, it's the best series released since AMD bought out ATI.

https://community.amd.com/message/2755808#comment-2755808 34 pages for you to read.., dickhead, just because your so fkn great and your system so fkn cool doesn't mean I talk from my brown eye. Hate arrogant teens who have small brains and big mouths a google search of AMD, black screen, would have shut that comment up before you wrote it but meh, to fkn lazy, to fkn quick to slag someone off.

teen? Hardly. I've been building computers for 22 years. So, again I'll ask. Do you have any actual proof of all these claimed failures due to drivers? I mean, we can go over to the NVidia forums and find where previous NVidia drivers have prevented fans from spinning up resulting in damaged cards. On the page you linked to, 1 user admits that his card was faulty prior to installing the drivers. At least 1 user probably has malware since he claims the crimson software immediately corrupts after install. That's generally a sign of malware being present on the system or faulty RAM or HDD. One is running Windows 10 Anniversary Edition, which has it's own stability issues. 1 admits to running IGP + dGPU....which causes it's own issues and says it's not possible to disable the iGPU in bios on a Z77 motherboard because it supports Lucid Virtu (even though it is possible unless he's running a pre-built system which in that case nothing he posts is relevant anyway). If he's dumb enough to even have Virtu installed while updating graphics drivers (or in Windows10 in general), he shouldn't be using a computer. He is apparently even dumb enough to think Virtu has anything to do with the motherboard so it wouldn't surprise me. From the posts I've read, it seems to be more user error and/or ignorance than anything else. Hell, one guy even admits that his graphics card failed to function in another computer, yet is blaming the driver for it not functioning in his own.

You won't find anything different on the NVidia forums. They have their fair share of issues as well. I use cards from both. This is actually the first time in years that I haven't had a system with an NVidia card installed in it. I even use Intel's iGP. As of right now, I have 2 systems running Intel's iGP, and 3 running AMD GPUs. All 3 experience the "black screen of death" at some point. From what I've seen and experienced, it's usually a software conflict. Wattman can only cause problems if you enable it.

If you loaded the drivers from the inf file alone your card should have worked fine, but lots say it didn't work for them and I could not understand why. Some of those cards I suspect were weak and then damaged..It's the only thing I could think of, and by the way did you read later driver release notes? at the end of the day it's the silence on the issue and the denial from even people like you believing us or that a driver could physically damage a card, that's left people without a gpu for a while now.

I don't believe a driver could damage a card?

I mean, we can go over to the NVidia forums and find where previous NVidia drivers have prevented fans from spinning up resulting in damaged cards.

I have several friends that experienced THAT gem of a driver from NVidia....

when GTX 1060Ti 3GB comes, RX480 will have to drop price too

Unlikely to be a 3GB 1060Ti.....especially considering the GTX1060 is both 6GB and 3GB, with the 3GB being a cut-down version of the 6GB model.

You make a good point there. The target market for the 1060 though is more 1080P gaming, I can make that statement because it is a mainstream card and 1080P is mainstream. This is an important distinction because the main benefits of the extra RAM is for higher resolutions. For AMD, the 4 GB option on the 480 for example is ideal for this, especially when you consider the bandwidth savings of the colour compression. I suspect what will happen is the 1060 Ti will likely be 6 GB and fall in nicely between the 1060 and 1070 from a price perspective. Even if it is faster than the RX 470, it would also likely be more expensive. I looked on Newegg US for a very rough surmisation of the price. A GTX 1060 6B is roughly $280 and a GTX 1070 is around $420. I did not select the cheapest options there, nor the most expensive. That is a $140 price difference for the 6 GB models. So, one would think the target price for the end sale of the 1060 TI 6 GB would be around US$350. The RX 470 4 GB model, remembering that the target market for these cards is really 1080P meaning 4 GB is more cost effective, is $200 and around $240 for the 8 GB model. The RX 480 8 GB is around $250 (give or take). The real question therefore would be, is the GTX 1060 Ti worth the extra US$100? If that price is correct, from a performance standpoint it would have to be 40 percent faster to be 'the same' performance for dollar. This is very game dependent, and API dependent.

I totally concur with this analysis. Especially taking into consideration that nowadays AMD's drivers generally give less problems than nVidia's.

You make a good point there. The target market for the 1060 though is more 1080P gaming, I can make that statement because it is a mainstream card and 1080P is mainstream. This is an important distinction because the main benefits of the extra RAM is for higher resolutions. For AMD, the 4 GB option on the 480 for example is ideal for this, especially when you consider the bandwidth savings of the colour compression. I suspect what will happen is the 1060 Ti will likely be 6 GB and fall in nicely between the 1060 and 1070 from a price perspective. Even if it is faster than the RX 470, it would also likely be more expensive. I looked on Newegg US for a very rough surmisation of the price. A GTX 1060 6B is roughly $280 and a GTX 1070 is around $420. I did not select the cheapest options there, nor the most expensive. That is a $140 price difference for the 6 GB models. So, one would think the target price for the end sale of the 1060 TI 6 GB would be around US$350. The RX 470 4 GB model, remembering that the target market for these cards is really 1080P meaning 4 GB is more cost effective, is $200 and around $240 for the 8 GB model. The RX 480 8 GB is around $250 (give or take). The real question therefore would be, is the GTX 1060 Ti worth the extra US$100? If that price is correct, from a performance standpoint it would have to be 40 percent faster to be 'the same' performance for dollar. This is very game dependent, and API dependent.

I'm failing to see the relevance this has to what I said... Seeing as there is a 6GB version of the GTX1060, why would NVidia bother releasing a 3GB GTX1060Ti? It would make no sense. Also, GTX1060 6GB prices float between $240 and roughly $540 For reference: EVGA GTX1060 SC Gaming 6GB @ $539.77 EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 SC GAMING @ $239.99 And yes, those are the same card....lol The GTX1070 floats between roughly $390 and $760.... If they priced a GTX1060Ti at $350....most will spend the extra $40 to get a 1070 unless the performance is reasonably close, and then they risk cannibalizing 1070 sales.

i read people saying about problem on Radeon but sometimes is an user's fault using installing drivers without clean previous, using PSU under recomended or bad cooling system (low fans on case), i never had oroblems on Radeon, even with Beta drivers.

At no point did I mention anything of a 3 GB GTX1060 Ti. What I was getting at in terms of mainstream 1080P memory requirements etc is 4 GB (including the delta colour compression) is probably 'ideal'. The GTX1060 Ti is still a mainstream card, if you want to game in 1440P or higher you would probably go for a higher end card. Therefore, from a price perspective, you can compare a 4 GB RX 480 against the GTX 1060 Ti since the target gameplay is likely to be similar. For the prices, I was going by 'decentish' prices, $540 for something that is $240 elsewhere is far from decent.

My post, which you quoted, was a direct response to someone claiming that a 3GB GTX1060Ti was on the way.

in the cupboard with the 260x, the 280x works well Tahiti maybe that's why the other two are Hawai with elpida the 280x has Hynix... anyways waffling but, well picked up and why I may be slightly anti AMD at present that 500 odd dollar brick's hurting my feelings.

awww... sorry to hear that but 2(!?) dead Hawaii with elipda? Custom or AMD reference design? And did you buy them new or used My ref. 290 with elipda still goin stwong :cheers: