I highly doubt that the Pitcairn GPU will be the R9 370 chip. R9-370/X current 280/280X R9-380/X current R9-290/290X R9-390/X New cards It would be silly to have such a large jump from the R9-370 to the R9-370X/R9-380, if it were Pitcairn. We shall see.

Honestly, what is AMD doing to themselves... :S

Honestly, what is AMD doing to themselves... :S

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I highly doubt that the Pitcairn GPU will be the R9 370 chip. R9-370/X current 280/280X R9-380/X current R9-290/290X R9-390/X New cards It would be silly to have such a large jump from the R9-370 to the R9-370X/R9-380, if it were Pitcairn. We shall see.

Didnt we have a chart where the 380X was competing with the 980?

AMD is really taking rebadging to the extreme. No wonder they lose market share. I wonder when they release a new flagship card that way...

everyone do the same... NVidia as an exemple : 650 => 740 or GTX680 => GTX770 and on the 1st R serie only the 290(X) where new, other where rebranded HD7*** GPU the hardware from AMD is clearly inovative but their drivers... what a piece of crap... this is why they are totaly inexistant in Pro market despite a lot of product and anouncement. if they invest more in driver development then people would buy more, but not only because they are poor or AMDfan.

Didnt we have a chart where the 380X was competing with the 980?

A leaked rumor chart. Probably off the same chart where they got mostly everything about Titan X wrong. That being said didn't the GCN 1.1 improvements come to the rebranded 2xx cards? How do we know the GCN 1.3 ones won't come to 3xx rebrands?

everyone do the same... NVidia as an exemple : 650 => 740 or GTX680 => GTX770 and on the 1st R serie only the 290(X) where new, other where rebranded HD7*** GPU the hardware from AMD is clearly inovative but their drivers... what a piece of crap... this is why they are totaly inexistant in Pro market despite a lot of product and anouncement. if they invest more in driver development then people would buy more, but not only because they are poor or AMDfan.

Have you ever used Nvidia on Linux? It is a pain in the ass to properly get full hardware acceleration in Linux with an Nvidia card, where as Fire GL cards are amazing under Linux.

Can everyone stfu, it's not certain everything will be a rebadge, dear lord. Just wait and see till the cards come out then we'll see..

Haha, thinking the same thing when every nvidia card is described as having 512mb less of vram. So I'm still not aware of how this will behave... when is it a rebadge? Only if it's exactly the same card? Or does it make things a rebadge even if it's the same chip with say +100MHz core? Because to me it looks like everything besides the 390/390X has already been around, thus making it old news.

It could be the same as with the R9 280X, basically a 7970 Ghz Edition GPU die with a updated PCB and some smaller tweaks (And slightly higher clock speeds.) like ensuring FreeSync compatibility (Or so I've read.), some tweaks but it's still the same GPU chip base or what to call it so it can even be used in Crossfire with the 7970. (Speaking of smaller tweaks I am unsure if it has the hardware scaler that AMD seems to rely on for VSR as well, probably will require a different implementation so I guess not.)

Only thing I'm going to say is Nvidia did huge rebrands with the G80 and G92, and they still sold a ton of those.

Have you ever used Nvidia on Linux? It is a pain in the ass to properly get full hardware acceleration in Linux with an Nvidia card, where as Fire GL cards are amazing under Linux.

Oh my god don't let me get started on that. I've had huge issues with Nvidia under Linux, it just refuses to work properly. And that Optimus crap likes being a nuisance no matter what. Windows has problems with it too. I mean come on I just install the damn drivers, it refuses to switch to the dedicated card. Then I run DRIVERLESS and it works fine. What!? Seriously, if I'll ever game on this Linux laptop I'll just use the integrated graphics. It's not worth the trouble.

Have you ever used Nvidia on Linux? It is a pain in the ass to properly get full hardware acceleration in Linux with an Nvidia card, where as Fire GL cards are amazing under Linux.

Yes, it's my main computer/os, but since the Linux/NVidia crisis few ago, things have changed (a lot). (BTW i have tried the two side of the force the green and the red).

And that Optimus crap likes being a nuisance no matter what. Windows has problems with it too. I mean come on I just install the damn drivers, it refuses to switch to the dedicated card. Then I run DRIVERLESS and it works fine. What!?

optimus is clearly an issue, and as stated on windows too 🙂 most of the time other, 3dr part driver can solve problem (it was this way i can make my AMD HD run nice on mint).

Only thing I'm going to say is Nvidia did huge rebrands with the G80 and G92, and they still sold a ton of those.

as AMD with HD rebranded in R... if you can sold longer product that cost nothing in dev... why don't you sell them 🙂 easy money 🙂 (if i where them i would do the same) vbetts 3/23/2015 10:18 AM EST - Please do not make posts in a row.

So.... nvidia does rebadging too (while still selling at a higher premium) and nobody bats an eye. AMD releases nearly twice the amount of GPUs at a time, roughly half of which are re-badges, and everyone loses their mind. But in the end - why do you care? The price point of the re-badges are still good, and driver stability will be better than they were when they were fresh architectures.

For everyone who thinks that Model ID correlation mean rebrands; read this. http://www.reddit.com/tb/3006o7

So.... nvidia does rebadging too (while still selling at a higher premium) and nobody bats an eye. AMD releases nearly twice the amount of GPUs at a time, roughly half of which are re-badges, and everyone loses their mind. But in the end - why do you care? The price point of the re-badges are still good, and driver stability will be better than they were when they were fresh architectures.

There were quite a few posts about the 770 rebrand when it came out here on Guru3D. Not to mention other news posts about lower end Nvidia cards being rebranded. I wouldn't say nobody bats an eye.

I highly doubt that the Pitcairn GPU will be the R9 370 chip. R9-370/X current 280/280X R9-380/X current R9-290/290X R9-390/X New cards It would be silly to have such a large jump from the R9-370 to the R9-370X/R9-380, if it were Pitcairn. We shall see.

Didnt we have a chart where the 380X was competing with the 980?

I completely missed out Tonga, the current R9-285 Speculation is rife that the actual tonga is a cut down chip. So it should now be : R9-370/X current 285/New 285X (Tonga/X) R9-380/X current R9-290/290X R9-390/X New cards (Fiji/X)

Only thing I'm going to say is Nvidia did huge rebrands with the G80 and G92, and they still sold a ton of those.

iirc, the G80 was a wicked card, great overclocker ( i had 2) the G92 was the die shrink of the G80, and that, was rebranded many many times. It was a damn good card though, so I understand why they built so many of them (and had to rebrand to not lose stock).

iirc, the G80 was a wicked card, great overclocker ( i had 2) the G92 was the die shrink of the G80, and that, was rebranded many many times. It was a damn good card though, so I understand why they built so many of them (and had to rebrand to not lose stock).

Oh hell yeah! My 9800GTX+ models that I had were both amazing!

At least this confirms that AMD cannot really [thread=5035136] magically redesign their graphics chips almost overnight[/thread] to be ready for Computex 2015 in June.

R9-370/X current 285/New 285X (Tonga/X) R9-380/X current R9-290/290X R9-390/X New cards (Fiji/X)

Had 28 nm to 20/14 nm transition worked as expected, that would be the case. AMD always introduce new architectures in the high end, where hot and expensive chips are not a problem, then gradually trickle it down to mid and low-level cards with respins and redesigns, so they can benefit economically from the improved process node. However this time even Intel suffered a major delay with 14 nm Broadwell/Skylake, after they've been rock solid in introducing new manufacturing processes for a a long time spending a considerable amount of money on research and testing. TSMC and GlobalFoundries had major problems with 28 nm chips and they haven't even shipped a 20 nm product yet, they're like 2-3 years late. So it would probably make sense for AMD to wait for a proper 20 nm / 14 nm process and spend their resources on a full range of redesigned chips, while using existing 28 nm designs for a couple more iterations.

That being said didn't the GCN 1.1 improvements come to the rebranded 2xx cards?

In what way? GCN 1.1/1.2 chips in R9 260/290 and 285 cards are new and have minor improvements in the GPU architecture, while rebranded cards use the older GCN 1.0 chips introduced with Radeon HD7000 series, and these have not been redesigned or updated - they are the same silicon.

In what way? GCN 1.1/1.2 chips in R9 280/285/290 cards are new and have minor improvements in the GPU architecture, while rebranded cards use the older GCN 1.0 chips introduced with Radeon HD7000 series, and these have not been redesigned or updated - they are the same silicon.

Well I guess my point was when the 280x came out everyone called it a rebrand, regardless to the fact that they did actually slightly modify the architecture. When I said rebrand I included the 280x in that term. Mostly because of how people viewed it. I wasn't really aware how far down the 2xx line the modifications went though, which is why I posed that in the form of a question. I haven't owned an AMD card since 4870X2.