AMD Radeon R9 390, R9 380, R9 370 and R9 360 Series Rebrands
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Denial
Hilbert you don't foresee anyway for AMD to get 8GB of HBM on a card? And it's definitely confirmed that AMD is using Gen 1 HBM for the Fiji based card? It seems really weird to me that AMD would release 4GB for a card they are aiming at 4K, when there are already games surpassing that.
Hilbert Hagedoorn
Administrator
Not possible with gen 1 .. HBM V1 is max four stacks each with a max of four 256GB layers, thus 4GB in total - AMD resistantly confirmed that in recent conference call with me. And if you look at the ASUS SKU: ASUS R9390X-DC2-8GD5
You'll see 8GD5 at the end, that is short for 8GB GDDR5, thus not HBA and thus not Fiji. 390 = Hawaii, I have no doubt.
elpsychodiablo
I want to buy a Radeon Card so much and wait some months just for this rebrands lol
So Maxwell here i come,...
Denial
Ah, yeah. Lame. Was really hoping for 8GB HBM. Thanks for confirming.
Serotonin
He's just posting a report of a report, reported by someone else. How would he know for sure?
Denial
Uh because Hilbert is in constant contact with these companies. Probably has more insight behind the scenes then some random blogger. In his post he says that it's basically confirmed via his phonecall with them. So based on that I figured he'd know more then some random report, which is why I asked.
Raider0001
I don't, rebranding the gpu is a cheap way of doing things, yeah the end product is more expensive to manufacturer and have to be sold for less (and takes more power to run) but they loose practically no moneys on new gpu architecture design which is most expensive, what they did instead of redesigning the gpu is: redesigning the VRAM, if they hold a patent for HBM - AMD is going to win in a very short time, if nvidia wont think it through of course.
Denial
That's what it sounds like and it makes no sense to me at all. They are clearly selling/advertising HBM as like a 4K machine and yet there are games out now that exceed 4GB @ 4K, let alone with AA on and whatnot or people who are doing multi-monitor.
So either AMD is pulling a reverse-970 (telling marketing people it's 4GB, but it's going to actually be more (which would be an awesome ad/joke lol)) or the Fiji based card is going to be meh, which is a shame because I was considering buying one.
INSTG8R
Have to agree with this. I mean I don't see my upgrading my 7970 any time soon as it's still playing everything just fine so far. My upgrade choices are a rebadged Hawaii or the full fat Fiji..
Denial
The whole point is that it's lower power and faster. But if a game using more then 4GB, it's going to cache the difference to system memory which causes massive performance hitching. HBM isn't going to do anything to counter that. The textures still need to sit somewhere and they only have 4GB of space to do that, regardless of the speed.
For the vast majority of people it's irrelevant, because they won't be gaming at 4K or hit the 4GB limit. But part of the whole point of HBM is the possible performance increase you get from being in situations where you're bottlenecked by memory performance, which is higher resolutions.
PC Perspective has this blurb in their article:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/High-Bandwidth-Memory-HBM-Architecture-AMD-Plans-Future-GPUs
BLEH!
Newer versions of silicon = lower power...
Raider0001
Your missing the point, point is that u could gain performance for the same amount of cash as before so:
1. if u have like 7870 going for 280 is a good performance hit for probably same amount of cash
2. same as before, if u have like 7870 going for 280 is a good choice and going for 3xx something that has more horse power is still a good choice if of course is sold for the same amount of cash
Look at nvidia for the other hand 960 is a redesigned new gpu that in some scenarios cant keep up with 760, I saw what nvidia has to offer for my price point and i went away for a bit cheaper 280 which kicks 960 ass in anything higher than FHD res.
Price/performance ratio is the only thing that matters for me because i have no cash for GTX 980, so talking about price/performance/power consumption goes away now.
Toss3
Does this mean fiji is going to be cheaper?
Raider0001
Oh that is a 1000$ question for nvidia, what if its going to be called 470X and sold for 220$ ?
Clouseau
AMD Has Surprises In Store With Its Upcoming Radeon 300 Series
The statement that the 300 series will not be rebrands
The surprise is that they are rebrands.
AMD=OCP: ...Had a guaranteed sale with the rebrands! Renovation program! Spare parts for 25 years! Who cared if it worked or not...
Raider0001
Only if it would not sell a hell of a lot better than the competition.
Rich_Guy
Bit of a mess tbh, as all those new fressync monitors are 1440p, which you'll need more than 4GB for really.
Raider0001
It could look at the 14nm spec 😀
Denial
Depends on performance. If it's like 20% faster than a Titan X @ 1080/QHD I could see them charging a $1000 for it, the vast majority of people probably won't hit the 4GB limit.
If it's like same speed though or less though, no.
I'm betting it will be $750-800.
14nm process isn't ready for GPU's, so no. Not to mention that manufacturing per mm2 at 14nm is actually more expensive at the moment then 28nm, so it would only serve to drive costs up, so double no.
Rich_Guy
Fiji isn't numbered, its named like Nvidias Titan.
