AMD Apus have the threads half numbered compared to the cores? I never realized :gape: Or is this a typo?

I believe the 7850k is at the price it should have been released at now 180$ was a little pricy for an apu.

I think that AMD has made a critical mistake in pushing out APUs in preference to x86 cpus & chipsets for the last two years. AMD's PC-chip divisions are showing an income reflective of what AMD has put into them for the last couple of years--very little. The first of 2014 without a doubt should have had seen new x86 core logic chipsets and Steamroller-based x86 cpus. Intel's latest quarter was one for the records and the company attributes most of its income and profits to the very area AMD has seemingly abandoned: its x86 PC chips division. I've been ready to buy a new motherboard and cpu from AMD since the middle of 2013, but the company hasn't obliged me and is still selling the same things I bought over two years ago. It would be tragic indeed if AMD simply chose not to compete any longer...

I think that AMD has made a critical mistake in pushing out APUs in preference to x86 cpus & chipsets for the last two years. AMD's PC-chip divisions are showing an income reflective of what AMD has put into them for the last couple of years--very little. The first of 2014 without a doubt should have had seen new x86 core logic chipsets and Steamroller-based x86 cpus. Intel's latest quarter was one for the records and the company attributes most of its income and profits to the very area AMD has seemingly abandoned: its x86 PC chips division. I've been ready to buy a new motherboard and cpu from AMD since the middle of 2013, but the company hasn't obliged me and is still selling the same things I bought over two years ago. It would be tragic indeed if AMD simply chose not to compete any longer...

Yeah thats true, their only succesful cpu's lately have been the 8300 series and 6000 series and thats like only 5% compared to Intel's success atm. Don't even get me started on the 9k FX series. Getting a mobo where that fits in costs you more than a decent Intel cpu which slaps the 9K FX back into prehistoric-era.

I think that AMD has made a critical mistake in pushing out APUs in preference to x86 cpus & chipsets for the last two years. AMD's PC-chip divisions are showing an income reflective of what AMD has put into them for the last couple of years--very little. The first of 2014 without a doubt should have had seen new x86 core logic chipsets and Steamroller-based x86 cpus. Intel's latest quarter was one for the records and the company attributes most of its income and profits to the very area AMD has seemingly abandoned: its x86 PC chips division. I've been ready to buy a new motherboard and cpu from AMD since the middle of 2013, but the company hasn't obliged me and is still selling the same things I bought over two years ago. It would be tragic indeed if AMD simply chose not to compete any longer...

AMD has already backed out of the high-end market. Their products are all entry-level, budget and mainstream. AMD's most successful CPU products are their APU's. AMD has a very limited budget and has to focus on markets where they get the highest sales volume, which unfortunately is where their APUs are. Right now, they're just trying to survive while they develop an entirely new architecture that will hopefully be able to better compete.

AMD made killing on Llano. It is their most successful product in this decade - by far. And they prolly lost just as much of potential income due to supply issues, bad forecast.

Overclockers doing 290s for £199, a cracking price that 😀