AMD Announces Ryzen 7 3700X, 3800X and Ryzen 9 3900X

Maddness

2019-05-27 10:13

Ryu5uzaku:

I'm guessing my 1800x will turn into 3800x/3900x this year.

Same here. I've been dying to update my 6900k system and one of those will do the trick nicely. I'll then pass on this system to my son.

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Kaarme

2019-05-27 10:44

The clocks are slower than I'd have expected. Of course if they really got the IPC significantly up, the challenges of the new architecture might explain it. Clocks are free performance, though, unlike architectural changes to raise the IPC.

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thesebastian

2019-05-27 10:46

I'm going to upgrade my i5 4590 to one of these Ryzen when released. (my history is: Athlon 64 Dual Core, Phenom II, i5 750, i5 4590). My current issue is that the i5 4590 can't run some games at 60FPS smooth, even if I put my GPU at 60-70% load reducing graphics settings ( I have 4K g-sync monitor and a GTX 1080, which is a card for 50-60 fps depending on the game and without max settings obviously). I have 16GB DDR3 of RAM and SSD only system. Last games played: PUBG, Hitman Absolution, Darksiders 3. So yeah I'm going to give a shot to AMD again. I hope i don't regret it!

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Netherwind

2019-05-27 11:16

If you want a better auto OC out of the box I guess the 3800X is the one to get? I don't think I'll do manual OC. @Clawedge That guy looks like a human version of a trout.

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Luc

2019-05-27 11:48

Those are great numbers. I was expecting the 12 cores to be called R9 3800 (there weren't a R7 2800) and the 16 been R9 3900, maybe they're waiting to launch ThreadRipper 3000 before, to don't kill it too fast. I also expected these prices, on par with previous Ryzen per core cost, but faster, safer and better, a real upgrade. Now, we only need reviews on real performance 😀

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H83

2019-05-27 11:57

I was very suspicious that the leaks of the 3600x being a 8 core part around 250€ was too good to be true and unfortunately i was right... Instead it´s going to be around 350€ here in Portugal, still a good price but not a killer one like the leaks were suggesting. Well i guess this means i can keep my 7600K system and save some money, at least for now.

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XenthorX

2019-05-27 12:00

Opens Wallet - Here we go 🙄 My 5820K served me well, but boy...

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Luc

2019-05-27 12:03

Jayp:

I gotta say I guessed this better than the AdoredTV leaks. I had a really good feeling that the 3700X would remain an 8 core and that it wouldn't MSRP below $300. I suspected that $499 would be 12 core and not 16 core CPU. I also figured that Ryzen would not jump to 5 Ghz as Zen to Zen + was a small step in clocks and IPC. And why did I feel that the prices would result this way? Well as I said months ago, $300 9900K performance is a bargain. AMD is a business and they need to make money on their CPUs. There was no way in hell they were going to launch Zen 2 at 8 core $200 prices when the competition is nowhere near that figure. Same for 6 core parts as it is the price drops on existing Ryzen parts are amazing. $329 and $399 is even under cutting Intel currently at $480-$500 for 8 core 16 thread piece that runs hotter and draws more juice. Especially with AMD adding PCIE 4.0 as well they have all they need to be plenty competitive and currently lack the security threats Intel is dealing with. Why anyone was believe the AdoredTV leak is beyond me. Anyways can't wait to compare 3700X or 3800X to my current 2700X and my 9900K. Although I may just grab a 3900X. Curious what we will see for overclocking I am sure in typical Ryzen fashion we won't see much of a clock increase but overall the architectural changes combined with higher clocks should be great. Will AMD become my new everyday system? Can't wait to find out. If high refresh gaming is no longer compromised than I believe so.

I think the same, those rumors were difficult to believe, even Ryzen 2000 at current prices couldn't be competitive. About overclock, maybe we'll see new boost technologies and not much all core potential over it.

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Kaarme

2019-05-27 12:47

Fox2232:

Clocks cost you power draw. Nothing is free. 😀

In my understanding moving to the 7nm should have compensated for the higher clocks, in addition to perfecting the Ryzen architecture in general, reducing the power draw. However, since they must have made the cores more complex to raise the IPC, it must have eaten away the natural boost, making the clocks upgrade more modest. Besides, currently Intel's CPUs are eating more power, yet they are still sporting both the gaming crown and larger market share. In the GPU field Nvidia has for years given more gaming performance with higher clocks for lower wattage (although for non-gaming compute it might not be the same). I know CPUs and GPUs aren't the same, but it still deserves some attention.

typhon6657:

5.2ghz=faster ipc for me. That means I have had better ipc from intel this past 13+ years then from AMD and even after Ryzen gen 2 as I stated over 2 years ago Amd would take till gen 3 to completely "take over". It great if you need more cores but I'm not selling my intel to get slower performance to have more cores.

You can't just redefine an established concept like IPC for your own purposes. IPC stands for instructions per cycle. It's great if you have a higher frequency because it means the overall performance will be higher, but it's irrelevant to IPC.

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metagamer

2019-05-27 12:49

I'll be waiting for reviews and to see the motherboards. But the 3900x looks like the one I'll go with if all ok.

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Rx4speed

2019-05-27 12:53

DW75:

That R9 3900X is looking mighty tasty. It is a shame though that here in Canada, the price is going to suck. It is going to end up costing 750-800 Canadian after tax here, which is bullshit. Not too impressed about that at all.

How's that tax rate to provide free healthcare going for ya?

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Luc

2019-05-27 13:04

Fox2232:

Base clock difference of 100MHz on 8 vs 12 cores. There is likely breaking point where this 7nm stops being efficient. Similarly as bit lower clock on 3700X brings it down to 65W. Then there is this cache thing. 6C/12T Zen 2 has 35MB of L1/2/3. 12C/24T has 70MB total. But 8C/16T has 36MB. Those may be different chiplets. Once could presume that 12C/24T has disabled cores, but what if those are actually two 6C/12T chiplets as that would explain pricing. (Or maybe cache difference is just form disabled L1/L2, but then I would expect difference to be bigger... or maybe AMD did some cache magic reassignment.)

On caches, every core has 0,5 MB of L2, so 3 MB for 6 cores, 4 MB for 8 cores and 6 MB for 12 cores, the rest is the same (I think L3 is a shared cache pool): https://www.anandtech.com/show/14407/amd-ryzen-3000-announced-five-cpus-12-cores-for-499-up-to-46-ghz-pcie-40-coming-77 And it looks you're right about efficiency, as in "old" Ryzen architecture, it will be impossible to reach 5 GHz, but they are getting closer, maybe with Zen 2+.

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Luc

2019-05-27 13:28

Fox2232:

There is thing I really was excited about. That is lower clock power efficiency. I did experiment a lot on 2400G and a bit on 2700X. 45W 8C/16T notebook was impressive. This time around 45W TDP on mobile CPU will deliver Zen(+) 105~125W desktop 8C/16T. This is 1st time when we can have ~100W next gen mobile gaming performing around 400W last gen desktops. (I did own 3 gaming notebooks over years and multiple standard note/net/ultrabooks. Gaming even at 100W+ never lasted long enough to justify price in past.) I think that Zen2 6C/12T will be impressive @35W (and more than sufficient for gaming), leaving good 60W for Navi which will be very close to RX-580.

I want an AMD Surface like with Zen 2 and Navi; my Intel's 2 cores - 4 threads is looking dated and I fear disabling HT for a safer professional computing 🙁

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pegasus1

2019-05-27 13:47

typhon6657:

I'm water cooled at 5.2ghz I need no upgrades yet. Nice prices though. Also my ipc is still better.

Edumacation is important, but your IPC is importanter.

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tunejunky

2019-05-27 14:32

Mundosold:

I don't think Intel can counter. They got nothing. They have been on Skylake since 2015 and will be on it for 2 more years.. They desperately need to move on to a new node and get more performance/watt but can't. So all they do now is 'boost clock rates' while the truth lies in the fact you'd never be able to hold those clock rates for more than 2 seconds at the chips supposed TDP.

correct, but the power of Intel is in the scale of Intel at this point. and for the uninformed consumer Intel is still the premium brand, for the military and enterprise they are mostly still in legacy mode Intel datacenter and datacenter products. and just like in comedy, timing is everything. AMD's sharpest dagger to the heart of Intel is Epyc indeed. the legacy datacenters are falling under "green" constraints in Europe and Japan. AMD's foresight and the pace of progress at TSMC are just the on-topic assault on Intel. FGPA's, contracting, and cloud services are a few of the others. R7 3000 series is a beast. i've had some inside info, but only drips and drops (now in context). i'm very, very curious as to the fate/role of threadripper at this point. granted, 64 pcie lanes are more than 40, but it seems all of the non-WS cpus are not as viable given the spec of the 3900 and 3800.

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Jagman

2019-05-27 14:37

Slightly disappointed with pricing and clocks (AMD, you crafty buggers! You're holding out on us I think) but will still be a very strong release. Proper benchies required please HH 😀

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tunejunky

2019-05-27 14:38

Kaarme:

The clocks are slower than I'd have expected. Of course if they really got the IPC significantly up, the challenges of the new architecture might explain it. Clocks are free performance, though, unlike architectural changes to raise the IPC.

all true but imho, i'm fairly certain they'll oc to it. tdp is a major selling point, especially in countries with greener laws and higher electricity rates. it's entirely possible (tho' speculation) that the cpu's are undervolted for marketing.

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Alessio1989

2019-05-27 14:44

the 3700X looks so sexy with it's only 65W of TDP, it looks perfect for a HTPC... But yes, the 3800X with his higher TDP promise better overclocking...

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tunejunky

2019-05-27 14:51

sverek:

What kind of HTPC needs 8 cores 😀 People ripping with them or something

editing videos...

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tunejunky

2019-05-27 14:58

sverek:

wouldn't that be "production PC"? HTPC means home theater PC = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_theater_PC People creating content in cinema and theaters this days instead of consuming it?

in the past that would be true. but - cell phones and YouTube