AMD announces Radeon Pro V340 with two Vega-gpu's and 32GB HBM2

#5578228

Noisiv

2018-08-27 11:58

:D 😀

#5578277

MorganX

2018-08-27 14:28

What about native Hyper-V support?

#5578281

screwtech02

2018-08-27 14:42

Intel will have a new desktop card out before AMD does. Callin it now...

#5578313

schmidtbag

2018-08-27 15:35

screwtech02:

Intel will have a new desktop card out before AMD does. Callin it now...

So are you saying AMD will never release a new desktop card? Because Intel is only focusing on servers (and maybe high-end workstations).

#5578799

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 14:29

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AMD sees that Ryzen is bringing them cash, it knows they can profit from enterprise GPUs but consumer? na

You say that as though they won't and never will profit from consumer GPUs...

#5578800

cowie

2018-08-28 14:32

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I bet we won't see consumer GPUs from AMD for quite some time. mark my words.

I bet this is going to be a new gamer card too,they are frugal like that

#5578819

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 15:19

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Exactly, as long as they can't compete

That seems a bit naive... besides, are you not aware of Navi? Before you say "it probably won't compete with the 2080[Ti]", I understand people here are enthusiasts and expect the best, but the general mentality around here seems to be "if an architecture doesn't offer #080Ti performance, it isn't worth anyone's interest" which is ridiculous. Not everybody needs or cares about something that high-end, especially considering price point. I still have a R9 290 and so far it handles just about everything I throw at it at 1080p (granted, I might need to turn off AA). Most people aren't gaming at 2K+, so even if Navi isn't competitive with the 2080, it would be stupid of them to not release anything at all. EDIT: As long as the performance-per- and performance-per-watt are competitive with Nvidia, the maximum potential performance isn't that important. Sure, if the 2080Ti ends up being undefeated, the price of it will be crazy expensive, but it is plenty evident people are willing to pay for that extra performance.

#5578839

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 15:49

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Navi is a marketing name, nothing more. Just like Nvidia used "Volta" is the next big thing and it didn't even get to consumer graphics. Navi was first seen as 2018 product:

Doesn't matter what it is - you're the one saying we won't be seeing consumer products any time soon, and yet Navi is supposed to be released in early to mid 2019. I understand that feels like a long way away, but it isn't that far. Also, Volta was more than just a marketing name. The tensor cores were a pretty big deal.

AMD is now focusing on profiting markets which are datacenters/enterprise(EPYC 2, AMD PRO GPUs), AI compute, CPU market with ryzen as it proven itself and consoles. only after all these are done which should be late into 2019 we might see some consumer GPUs and even AMD says so with their roadmap. we know 7nm Vega is for AI, so 7nm Navi? late 2019 my guess.

Yes, and if you haven't noticed, consumer-level hardware tends to just be cut-down versions of enterprise hardware, usually released within the same year. It wouldn't surprise me if Navi is derived from the changes made in Vega 20, rather than Vega 10 (which the current-gen hardware is based on). Supposing late 2019 is the reality of Navi's release date, that's still not as far away as you're making it out to be. The point is, there is new hardware around the corner. That doesn't mean we should be keeping our hopes up that it'll defeat the 2080Ti, but to act like there is nothing [worth of interest] coming up soon just simply isn't true.

#5578848

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 16:05

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early 2019? where did you get that date from? first comes 7nm Vega jeez you can't even follow roadmaps.... AI compute is VERY different from graphics(though Nvidia is trying to make them one as they invest heavily in both) if AMD is going for 7nm AI gpu it is gonna be very different from consumer grade card.

As you yourself have pointed JUST out, roadmaps aren't strictly followed (and when it comes to AMD's GPU division, they sure as hell don't follow them). Anyway rather than question me, do the research yourself: https://www.google.com/search?q=navi+release+date&safe=off&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:m&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5lIK19I_dAhUyc98KHfDcB98QpwUIHw&biw=1567&bih=807 Many articles within the past month are saying somewhere between Q1 2019 to mid 2019. It's very possible it'll get delayed to late 2019 (I wouldn't be surprised) but that still makes your point moot. As for AI, I'm well aware it's different. But unlike Nvidia, AMD tends to make their cores general-purpose. This is why Vega 10 wasn't so impressive - it performed great in compute tasks but not so great in gaming. Unless Navi ends up being more similar to the PS5 GPU rather than Vega 20, I wouldn't be surprised if it too will have better compute performance than gaming performance.

let me show you reality: 1. Vega failed, while Nvidia focused on maximizing GDDR tech, AMD went for HBM which turned out to be too expensive and too hard to mass-produce 2. Raja which basically was behind the whole graphics division(RTG) of AMD left, meaning AMD needs to re-establish its own graphics division 3. AMD stated they are focusing AI tech FIRST. 4. AMD has its hands full with Ryzen, its not a massive company like Intel that can do multiple big projects at the same time.

I don't question any of that, but how does any of that have anything to do with what we're talking about here?

We are going something maybe in late 2019 not before. a long time from now.

In your opinion.

#5578853

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 16:16

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these are all rumors, we need to see 7nm Vega before we see 7nm Navi aren't we? 7nm Vega is not ready yet and its the end of 2018, are you saying AMD is going to release 7nm consumer GPUs by march???? who is going to make them Global? oh wait they said they won't do 7nm. TSMC already has multiple lines including Zen 2. another bullshit from the users here. just like ppl told me there's no way nvidia is gonna release a "12nm" card it has to be 7nm..... Reality

Again... do the research. You keep questioning me about things based on outdated roadmaps and the way Nvidia does things, both of which are not fit for this discussion. I'm not just pulling numbers out of nowhere. 7nm Vega is also predicted to launch early 2019. Like I said before, consumer-level products tend to be cut-down versions of enterprise ones, and release within the same year. AMD traditionally doesn't do much to differentiate their consumer level products from pro products, so what exactly are you expecting will cause such a long delay? Keep in mind, there's no reason AMD couldn't be working on both architectures in parallel. Also, where are you getting March from? Q1 (which is not specifically March) is considered an early estimate, but, still an estimate that I did not make myself. Meanwhile, what evidence do you have that TSMC can't keep up with the load? Let's face it, these GPUs probably aren't going to be that popular. All that being said, you might want to be careful about what you label as BS, because so far you're arguing with old information and your own personal speculation, and as far as I'm concerned, you are not a professional in this kind of stuff. And no, I'm not saying I am either, but I'm not the one making claims here.

#5578871

vbetts

Moderator

2018-08-28 17:01

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let me show you reality: 1. Vega failed, while Nvidia focused on maximizing GDDR tech, AMD went for HBM which turned out to be too expensive and too hard to mass-produce 2. Raja which basically was behind the whole graphics division(RTG) of AMD left, meaning AMD needs to re-establish its own graphics division 3. AMD stated they are focusing AI tech FIRST. 4. AMD has its hands full with Ryzen, we also know new consoles are coming soon, its not a massive company like Intel that can do multiple big projects at the same time. We are going something maybe in late 2019 not before. a long time from now.

Not trying to start a war or anything, but how exactly did Vega fail? May not have sold as much as the competition did, but still a very decent option that's available.

#5578883

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 17:16

vbetts:

Not trying to start a war or anything, but how exactly did Vega fail? May not have sold as much as the competition did, but still a very decent option that's available.

This goes back to a statement I made earlier: a lot of people around here think a lack of competition at the high end means the architecture as a whole was a fail. In other words, since Vega didn't compete with the 1080Ti (in gaming), many people automatically deemed the architecture as a failure, even though it had plenty of strong points. And this is why I've commented in the first place - such a mentality is very toxic, and elitist. Not everything made has to be the best.

#5578919

vbetts

Moderator

2018-08-28 18:40

schmidtbag:

This goes back to a statement I made earlier: a lot of people around here think a lack of competition at the high end means the architecture as a whole was a fail. In other words, since Vega didn't compete with the 1080Ti (in gaming), many people automatically deemed the architecture as a failure, even though it had plenty of strong points. And this is why I've commented in the first place - such a mentality is very toxic, and elitist. Not everything made has to be the best.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Vega 64 was never made to compete with the 1080 Ti? Does pretty well against the 1080 at least. Vega is far from a failure though, Vega is used in their recent APU, Intel uses Vega, Apple uses Vega, it's utilized. They don't have the market share, but I blame miners and price gouging galore thanks to that including Vega being sold out quickly. If Vega stock was not affected by mining, it would have been sold more.

#5578923

schmidtbag

2018-08-28 18:45

vbetts:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Vega 64 was never made to compete with the 1080 Ti? Does pretty well against the 1080 at least. Vega is far from a failure though, Vega is used in their recent APU, Intel uses Vega, Apple uses Vega, it's utilized. They don't have the market share, but I blame miners and price gouging galore thanks to that including Vega being sold out quickly. If Vega stock was not affected by mining, it would have been sold more.

You're right about everything you said. That doesn't prevent people from complaining that AMD didn't have a response to the 1080Ti. And since there was nothing to compete with it (again, in gaming tasks), people judge the architecture as a whole to be a failure. Keep in mind, I don't think Vega was a failure, and I personally didn't especially care that the 1080Ti didn't have a competitor. Vega was underwhelming for gaming and the release day drivers were abysmal, but those are about the only truly negative aspects.

#5579197

Noisiv

2018-08-29 10:43

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#5579874

pimpineasy

2018-08-31 05:09

so navi is just consumer vega 20... will finally beat a 1080 by 10% in 3 titles with way more watts but since it lacks dx9, dx10 dx 11 optimizations, cuda cores, physx, gameworks, RT, Tensor cores it will be at a disadvantage depending on apps. also amd driver is way shitt vs nvidia on linux. And it gonna be overpriced. yeah ill probably just buy a used 1080 for half its price. vega was a flop because amd had to rebrand a r9 380 for the rx series instead of releasing vega 56 as rx line with 8gb ddr5 at msrp $170. amd sales where huge and most people who buy theses shit rx line up dis satisfied when have nvida product as well. the 1060 will do much better and give you hw accel with a lot more popular applications and tools.

#5579876

schmidtbag

2018-08-31 05:15

pimpineasy:

so navi is just consumer vega 20... will finally beat a 1080 by 10% with way more watts but since it lacks cuda cores, physx, gameworks, RT, Tensor cores it will be at a disadvantage depending on apps. also amd driver is way shitt vs nvidia on linux. And it gonna be overpriced. yeah ill probably just buy a used 1080 for half its price.

Who are you trying to convince here? It's blatantly obvious you're a shill for Nvidia. Even if Navi had a 10% lead over the 2080Ti, you still wouldn't buy it.

#5579879

pimpineasy

2018-08-31 05:30

actually i like amd product and use it often; however, 60% of their product line up are garbage trash products and trash their brand name they are just to sell, confuse buyer to upgrade more often cuz it is trash manufactured chip rebadge and waste resources on which when a consumer goes and buys a new laptop and my 2003 model is performing dam near similar wut. like for real my phone is 8 core and my ati adreno is getting better fps then rx 570. wait till that gets terrascaled and only give u 64 cores then 128 hit 2048 cores in year 2150. suck a dick. time goes to fast already old and pc tech has been trash since 98. i need thread rippers & vegas $40 dolla motha fuka.

#5579888

alanm

2018-08-31 06:16

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let me show you reality: 1. Vega failed, while Nvidia focused on maximizing GDDR tech, AMD went for HBM which turned out to be too expensive and too hard to mass-produce.

From a business standpoint, Vega was a win. It was best mining GPU ever and came out at the peak of the mining boom. AMD couldnt make enough of them and was always sold out.

#5582232

vbetts

Moderator

2018-09-07 14:07

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avaliable? where? availability is low, pricing is all over the place, TDP is bad compared to competition. Don't forget that Vega came a FULL YEAR after the 1080. what a product! oh and this hilarious situation when there were NO AIB cards for months! just the reference blower which sucked.

Availability was due to miners buying an already limited stock, and Vega is easy to get now and is actually priced near or at MSRP. Also I don't think you've heard of Radeon chill? Release time really isn't much of a negative about Vega either, now it just seems like your nitpicking... Same with the AIB designs, or lack of. I will admit that was annoying, but let's be honest what's the real difference between a Strix and Aorus design? Most people aren't overclocking, and a number of people bought the Founder's Edition cards with blower style fans no problem, so can't really use that as an excuse....